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 Post subject: Re: Rahm Emanuel
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:38 pm 
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If everything was legal and sold in official government stores there would be no need to make your own. Selling it would still be illegal. The government would tax it and price it accordingly so as not to encourage street sales. If there is no money to be made there is nothing to fight over. Look at prohibition if you want a good example. That was in this country and only 100 years ago.
Guns are legal here, and there is still a massive black market for them. Ipads are completely legal, and there is still a huge black market for them. Gambling is legal(though restricted in many states) and there is a huge black market for it. I think it's unrealistic to think that many people wouldn't also operate outside government sanctions.

In fact, I'd guess that most people who violated prohibition just found other illegal activities to make income.

I'm all for relaxing or eliminating some of the prohibitions but it's actually true that some drugs are a significant drain on society and need to be controlled. Portugal may be able to pull it off, but we are a country that struggles to handle the legal drugs we have. I don't have faith that society would be better if my neighbor could smoke crystal meth in his backyard.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
If everything was legal and sold in official government stores there would be no need to make your own. Selling it would still be illegal. The government would tax it and price it accordingly so as not to encourage street sales. If there is no money to be made there is nothing to fight over. Look at prohibition if you want a good example. That was in this country and only 100 years ago.
Guns are legal here, and there is still a massive black market for them. Ipads are completely legal, and there is still a huge black market for them. Gambling is legal(though restricted in many states) and there is a huge black market for it. I think it's unrealistic to think that many people wouldn't also operate outside government sanctions.

In fact, I'd guess that most people who violated prohibition just found other illegal activities to make income.

I'm all for relaxing or eliminating some of the prohibitions but it's actually true that some drugs are a significant drain on society and need to be controlled. Portugal may be able to pull it off, but we are a country that struggles to handle the legal drugs we have. I don't have faith that society would be better if my neighbor could smoke crystal meth in his backyard.


Guns are hard to purchase legally and Ipads are expensive. If you could buy an ipad off the back of truck at a flea market or for $10 more buy it from the Apple store, I'm guessing most people choose the legal route. People could try to sell drugs on the street still but if the stores had them priced correctly the profit for the dealers wouldnt be enough to continue operating.

Your neighbor can smoke meth right now in his house. You can even call the cops but they cant just search his place based on your tip. The difference is that your neighbor could smoke it legally and purchase it from a safe, quality controlled enviornment. I also dont think that a lot of people out there are just dying to try meth.

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 Post subject: Re: Rahm Emanuel
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:02 pm 
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Guns are hard to purchase legally and Ipads are expensive. If you could buy an ipad off the back of truck at a flea market or for $10 more buy it from the Apple store, I'm guessing most people choose the legal route. People could try to sell drugs on the street still but if the stores had them priced correctly the profit for the dealers wouldnt be enough to continue operating.
I find it hard to believe that. If we really want to get into it, companies have to worry about lawsuits, advertising, insurance, certification, taxes and a lot of things that homebrewers wouldn't. That's one of the reasons that prescription drugs are pretty expensive.

As I said though, even if that was true, what are all those criminals going to start doing? Are they going to give up crime? I doubt it. They'll stay in the business and do what they can to undercut the competition. I mean, we've got people smuggling cigarettes from Indiana all the time. You don't think they find a way to stay involved with other drugs?
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Your neighbor can smoke meth right now in his house. You can even call the cops but they cant just search his place based on your tip. The difference is that your neighbor could smoke it legally and purchase it from a safe, quality controlled enviornment. I also dont think that a lot of people out there are just dying to try meth.
That's true, but obviously I wouldn't really be seeing any negative from it at that point. Once it becomes detectable from the outside I'd have a way to correct it. I lose that if it's legal. In fact, it would be just like cigarettes where my future children could be playing in the backyard and the neighbor decides he's going to smoke crystal meth on my property line. It would kind of suck if that was completely legal.

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 Post subject: Re: Rahm Emanuel
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Tomatoes arent illegal right now. You can grow, sell and eat them without any fear of being arrested. PLus they arent bad for you. Your comparison is beyond stupid.

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Portugal made everything legal. Stats show crime went down a pretty big %

Too bad they are broke ass


No, they actually did nothing of the sort.

For people caught with no more than a ten-day supply of marijuana, heroin, ecstasy, cocaine, or crystal methamphetamine—anything, really—there would be no arrests, no prosecutions, no prison sentences. Dealers are still sent to prison, or fined, or both, but, for the past decade, Portugal has treated drug abuse solely as a public-health issue. That doesn’t mean drugs are legal in Portugal. When caught, people are summoned before an administrative body called the Commission for the Dissuasion of Drug Addiction. Each panel consists of three members—usually a lawyer or a judge, a doctor, and a psychologist or a social worker. The commissioners have three options: recommend treatment, levy a small fine, or do nothing. In most respects, the law seems to have worked: serious drug use is down significantly, particularly among young people; the burden on the criminal-justice system has eased; the number of people seeking treatment has grown; and the rates of drug-related deaths and cases of infectious diseases have fallen.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011 ... z1y9rOdfUc

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Is there a black market for booze?


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 Post subject: Re: Rahm Emanuel
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It's a little weird that Seacrest and Tall Midget have both reappeared on the same day.

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All drugs should be legal.


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i'm with this... i've long had a saying that goes "drunken driving leads to fatality accidental pregnancy and bullshit. stoned driving leads to taco bell"

/me crosses fingers!

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It's a little weird that Seacrest and Tall Midget have both reappeared on the same day.


It's a dual stroke of brilliance Mr. President elect.

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Douchebag wrote:
It's a little weird that Seacrest and Tall Midget have both reappeared on the same day.


It's a dual stroke of brilliance Mr. President elect.


I'd really like to believe it is coincidental as they are both on the good dolphin good poster list but for different reasons.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Is there a black market for booze?


Yep, the bootleggers are still running even though they cant make a profit. They never stopped after the government made it legal and started to regulate it's sale.

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I'd really like to believe it is coincidental as they are both on the good dolphin good poster list but for different reasons.

That must be a really shitty list.

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Is there a black market for booze?

Yes, but it's probably a small one.

I've bought beer from a guy by the case for much cheaper than I can get it at the store. The supply is limited and is unpredictable. But it's there.



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