Is this coaching search really going as poorly as this thread seems to indicate?

Well Mac told me to to tell you to go FUCK YOURSELF!!! ..So now it's been said .. .

No. They missed out on the #1 choice, and the #2 choice was interviewed yesterday while Jones was interviewing in Colorado. Today, we find out if anyone else is on the radar or Hazell is the only target. The coach at Fresno State has been mentioned a lot too.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

I thought they missed out on #1 and #2, #1 being Doren, #2 being Jones.

From what I read this morning it sounds like he wants to stay in Cincy just trying to get as much $$ as he can from them.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

I don't really get it. I mean I understand wanting to have some consistency staying at the same place. But why would you turn down a Pac 10 or a Big 10 job to stay at Cincy?

Well Mac told me to to tell you to go FUCK YOURSELF!!! ..So now it's been said .. .

I don't really get it. I mean I understand wanting to have some consistency staying at the same place. But why would you turn down a Pac 10 or a Big 10 job to stay at Cincy?

Maybe Cincy is about to join a bigger conference.

Doeren was not #1. Jones was by a wide margin.

Doeren didn't want to wait for the Jones stuff to play out so he went to NC State. If he hadn't, Doeren would probably be getting an offer better than what NC State gave him. Obviously, Purdue regrets the decision to go all in on Jones, because it seems like this was all just a way for Jones to get more money from Cincy as I originally suspected.

Well Mac told me to to tell you to go FUCK YOURSELF!!! ..So now it's been said .. .

I guess I had it backwards. Jones was 1, and Doeren was 2. Still missed out on both guys. Still seems to indicate an Illinois-level of job interest from potential coaches.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

So when will you guys end up with Beckman v. 2?

If it's not Hazell that becomes a real possibility.

Are you sure you aren't already there with Hazell?

Yes.

They had to choose one or the other. They chose Jones. If Jones had accepted, would they have "missed out" on Doeren? That wouldn't make sense.

It's all linear. You have a first choice, when that choice goes away, you have a second choice, when that choice goes away, you have a third choice. You can't lose your second choice before you lose your first choice.

The timing was that a week from last Sunday, Purdue met with Jones. On Monday, Doeren, through his people, said he was no longer a candidate. On Sunday, Jones met with with Purdue again, and it obviously didn't go well. Now, Purdue needs to make another choice. The second one they had to make.

That's fine but expectations for a coach you wanted have clearly been lowered since you declared the Doeren deal done and said Butch Jones is the #1 guy.

I didn't say it was done, I said it was reported that it was done, but that something changed, which happened to be big interest by Jones. I did that all in the same post. Don't twist it around now.

I think it will be Doeren. I think it's been pretty much set for about 3 weeks already. Saturday should be interesting, because clearly you have to wait until they play the MAC championship game.

Something concerns me about Mark Helfrich. He probably is a good coach, but I think he would struggle to recruit given he's a west coast guy.

Butch Jones is probably the #1 choice, but they'll have to pay $2+ million to get him.

Oh, and Brock Spack has a 0% chance. Maybe in 10 years he has a chance, but right now he has absolutely no shot.

Oh, and Brock Spack has a 0% chance. Maybe in 10 years he has a chance, but right now he has absolutely no shot.

Well Mac told me to to tell you to go FUCK YOURSELF!!! ..So now it's been said .. .

Im not twisting your words at all. This is the post Im referring to. Im assuming you have a good pulse on Purdue athletics, and this post clearly indicates that you believed it would be Doeren if they didn't pony up the money for Jones. So since they missed out on both, it led me to asking the question about how highly Purdue is actually regarded among potential coaches.

Gregg Doyel ‏@GreggDoyelCBS
If I'm Butch Jones, I don't leave UC for Colorado. But if they'll have me, I'd leave for Wisconsin.

Yes it is.

I say all of this not as an insider. I am not trying to Bucky Chris the thread here.

This all started a few weeks ago. The story really broke after the Minnesota game, but supposedly things started to move forward after the Wisconsin blowout. A search firm was unofficially gauging interest. Obviously, Doeren, with his Big Ten ties was interested. Also, for whatever reason, Purdue really appreciates the Wisconsin program and seems to want to emulate them. That's why they almost hired Paul Chryst, but instead the hired Hope for continuity. He showed interest. There were even some initial discussions on money. However, the decision was not official on Hope. After the Minnesota blowout, it was over. They gauged Doeren's interest, and offered somewhere from $1.5 million to $1.8 million. It is reported that it was a done deal. The rest is procedural, with not messing up NIU's season(though, Doeren won't be coaching them in the bowl game) and letting Hope finish the season. There were many people who said it was over.

However, the Butch Jones rumors started after all of this. It's very possible that Butch Jones actually expressed interest through the same back channels that Purdue was using to get Doeren. Obviously, he needs to be considered. This is supposedly what happened with Painter, as even Missouri didn't really believe he was an option until Painter started the process. That's why I think that Butch Jones is looking for a raise from Cincy, and is using Purdue as leverage. However, I would think that he would get the nod over Doeren, depending on what "done deal" really means.