Never been more wrong. He states that Lilly is a 2 and Vasquez is a 4/5 so the Vaszquez deal is a good one. After the first go round in the rotation being a 2 or a 3 or 4 or a 5 DOESNT MATTER, THEY PITCH EVERY 5TH DAY!!! I would be willing to put down some money that Lilly will have much better numbers at the end of the year than Vazquez. I see Lilly's ERA under 4 while Vasquez will be up near 5.

What do u expect, the Sox do now wrong and now they are willing to let a guy like Buerhle walk. Buerhle had one bad year and the So are going to hold it against him. Also didnt KW say he would let Iguchi and Dye walk? So much for payng up if the fans came out.

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This year's stats will not be comparable as the leagues are very different. I would expect Lilly's numbers to be better across the board in the NL.

How did they compare last year?

I actually like Vazquez, but it seems he has lost something on his stuff..Hmmmmmmmm

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KW said that Buerhle, Dye and Iguchi would be able to test the free-agent waters -- he didn't say that he was going to just let them walk without an offer. There's a difference.
Velocity isn't Vasquez' issue -- it's location. He hangs too many sliders.
Lilly is a 2 -- are you kiddin' me. His numbers are more like those of a 4 or 5.
He's one game over .500 for his career with a career ERA of 4.60.
Vasquez is 100-105 with a 4.34 ERA. Vasquez's WHIP is 1.29, Lilly 1.43.
I don't think it's a lock that Lilly will have better numbers this year.

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La elección mala firmar a este tipo, él acaba de ir a consigue peor y con Tinte y Buerhle que andan una vez el año está sobre, bien, su ir a consigue feo.

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Dårlig valg undertegne denne guy, han akkurat dra bli verre og med Fargestoff og Buerhle gå en gang året er over, godt, dets å draing bli stygg.

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Ideally, Lilly should be no more than a #3. A #4 would be great. On the Cubs, he's a #2, thus one problem with the Cubs.

That's correct.
Just don't try telling that to Murph.

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If I were a Sxo fan, I wouldnt be comparing Vazquez to Cub pitchers, I would be looking at the Twins, Indians and Tigers, not a team in a DIFFERENT LEAGUE.

But thats just me.

North is dumb if that was his reaction. Alot of people get caught up with numbering the starting rotation.

They are all going to pitch 30-33 games. What the hell does it matter where they are numbered in the rotation?

I think they use this 1-5 slotting to discuss relative value. For instance, if you're going to pay your 4 or 5 $10 mil per year then it's BS that you're paying your 1 and 2 way less. North is still a moron though.

I agree, because Cubs fans never compare things with the White Sox.

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compare vasquez and lilly's rate stats and you'll find a good comparison for vasquez against a league average pitcher. those extra K's and fewer runs/9 + hits/9 are what makes vasquez worth the money.

also, i know nobody cares or wants to hear about trend projections, but buehrle, as a guy who's approaching 30, does not trend as favorably as everyone's making out. the guy should see a rather steady drop in the production we all expect (hits allowed, gb/fb ratio, walks allowed) which makes him less and less valuable in a hitter's park on a team with promising young arms.

and on the topic of vasquez bringing the deal to the sox, several theories were posited at an otherwise empty Two-Way Lounge last night. the primaries are:

- the guy feels it's better to stick with a good team than get bounced around, as he has since his tenure w/ montreal.

- there's something wrong with him, and he wants to get paid.

It's OK to compare their numbers for now because they both were on AL teams last year. After this year, it doesn't matter.


I agree that if Vazquez can straighten out location, he's a dangerous pitcher

As far as the fifth and done theory, I feel much better with the pen this year versus last year if he struggles

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