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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:52 am 
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reduce income inequality DRAMATICALLY. people aren't doing these things because there isn't enough security. theyre doing it because they hate. they hate their life, they hate how your life effects theirs. its a mental disease. start raising kids in a society free from economic slavery and the killings will stop. poverty is the main cause of crime.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:37 pm 
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That would cover some of it...but, like the Joker, there are some people who just want to watch the world burn

Anyway, if everyone has 1 million dollars and I have 2, there will still be a large percentage of the population who hates me for it

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:43 pm 
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reduce income inequality DRAMATICALLY. people aren't doing these things because there isn't enough security. theyre doing it because they hate. they hate their life, they hate how your life effects theirs. its a mental disease. start raising kids in a society free from economic slavery and the killings will stop. poverty is the main cause of crime.

While economics of course plays an issue in crime/violence, this is an incredibly simplistic way of looking at things. Adam Lanza grew up in wealthy Newtown, CT. Did that stop him from executing 20 children? He was "freed from economic slavery", as many other psychopaths have been, and the killing didn't stop. Mental instability knows no economic status.


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Wasn't Bin Laden one of the richest people in the Middle East?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:59 pm 
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that kid was clearly mentally disabled. pretty hard to use that as an example.

bin laden hated how America was so wealthy and his people so poor. pretty hard to use that as an example when it supports my statement.

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The bigger the economic difference between the have's and have not's the more crime there will be.


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Darkside wrote:
Wasn't Bin Laden one of the richest people in the Middle East?


Family was, for sure.

Not certain about him later in life...

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The real problem is America has made countries like Iran, and Iraq dangerous by making them rich. They turn the money they get from their oil, into weapons and become threats. Had America developed alternative energy long ago (and we could have) we wouldn't have these problems. But we had greedy politicians that took money from the petrolium industry, allowed the auto makers and oil companies to continue business as usual. We should all (or most anyway) be driving solar or electric cars and telling the oil producing countries to keep their oil...we don't need it. Then the money stops as does the production/purchase of weapons. But the auto industry doesn't want us driving electric cars. They require far less maintainance. They don't just want to sell us cars, they make a great deal of their money in maintaining cars and the parts needed for their maintainance. The oil industry surely doesn't want us driving electric or solar powered cars. So they lobby congressmen and senators and do whatever possible to keep things status quo. That has proven to be a very profitable strategy for the petrolium industry. But now so good for national security.

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The real problem is America has made countries like Iran, and Iraq dangerous by making them rich. They turn the money they get from their oil, into weapons and become threats. Had America developed alternative energy long ago (and we could have) we wouldn't have these problems. But we had greedy politicians that took money from the petrolium industry, allowed the auto makers and oil companies to continue business as usual. We should all (or most anyway) be driving solar or electric cars and telling the oil producing countries to keep their oil...we don't need it. Then the money stops as does the production/purchase of weapons. But the auto industry doesn't want us driving electric cars. They require far less maintainance. They don't just want to sell us cars, they make a great deal of their money in maintaining cars and the parts needed for their maintainance. The oil industry surely doesn't want us driving electric or solar powered cars. So they lobby congressmen and senators and do whatever possible to keep things status quo. That has proven to be a very profitable strategy for the petrolium industry. But now so good for national security.

Interesting well thought out post.


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uofiguy wrote:
Mental instability knows no economic status.

You got that right...

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
The real problem is America has made countries like Iran, and Iraq dangerous by making them rich. They turn the money they get from their oil, into weapons and become threats. Had America developed alternative energy long ago (and we could have) we wouldn't have these problems. But we had greedy politicians that took money from the petrolium industry, allowed the auto makers and oil companies to continue business as usual. We should all (or most anyway) be driving solar or electric cars and telling the oil producing countries to keep their oil...we don't need it. Then the money stops as does the production/purchase of weapons. But the auto industry doesn't want us driving electric cars. They require far less maintainance. They don't just want to sell us cars, they make a great deal of their money in maintaining cars and the parts needed for their maintainance. The oil industry surely doesn't want us driving electric or solar powered cars. So they lobby congressmen and senators and do whatever possible to keep things status quo. That has proven to be a very profitable strategy for the petrolium industry. But now so good for national security.

Interesting well thought out post.


Not really.

America's biggest business partners in terms of governments - Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE, Egypt (pre-revolution), etc. - are actually its strongest allies in the region. From a state perspective, all are friendly. The threat comes from non-state actors, a point so obvious since 9/11 and earlier that I'm not sure how you missed it.

Edit: The point about the auto industry and energy in/dependence may be valid; I don't know enough to comment but it's interesting to think about.

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That stands for "trademark", right?

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veganfan21 wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
The real problem is America has made countries like Iran, and Iraq dangerous by making them rich. They turn the money they get from their oil, into weapons and become threats. Had America developed alternative energy long ago (and we could have) we wouldn't have these problems. But we had greedy politicians that took money from the petrolium industry, allowed the auto makers and oil companies to continue business as usual. We should all (or most anyway) be driving solar or electric cars and telling the oil producing countries to keep their oil...we don't need it. Then the money stops as does the production/purchase of weapons. But the auto industry doesn't want us driving electric cars. They require far less maintainance. They don't just want to sell us cars, they make a great deal of their money in maintaining cars and the parts needed for their maintainance. The oil industry surely doesn't want us driving electric or solar powered cars. So they lobby congressmen and senators and do whatever possible to keep things status quo. That has proven to be a very profitable strategy for the petrolium industry. But now so good for national security.

Interesting well thought out post.


Not really.

America's biggest business partners in terms of governments - Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE, Egypt (pre-revolution), etc. - are actually its strongest allies in the region. From a state perspective, all are friendly. The threat comes from non-state actors, a point so obvious since 9/11 and earlier that I'm not sure how you missed it.

Edit: The point about the auto industry and energy in/dependence may be valid; I don't know enough to comment but it's interesting to think about.

That was pretty much the whole post.

And I think you're rebuttal to the first part assumes quite a bit. Its not that threats come only from non state actors. Also, there is the whole harboring terrorists thing. Not everyone considers all those nations to be friendly.


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I figured getting rid of The Candyman was the way to stop them, since it's in this section.


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That stands for "trademark", right?


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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
That stands for "trademark", right?


turd muncher.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
That was pretty much the whole post.

And I think you're rebuttal to the first part assumes quite a bit. Its not that threats come only from non state actors. Also, there is the whole harboring terrorists thing. Not everyone considers all those nations to be friendly.


The post did spend a lot of time on the auto industry, but I wanted to tackle its premise--that reliance on oil creates enemy states.

I don't mean to imply that threats only come from non-state actors, but that in the current international arena of states, the US and these particular countries share an uneasy alliance that is mutually and officially recognized by each respective government. It may not be as comfy as alliances with nations like Britain, but it's an alliance nonetheless. In the post-Cold War era, there is no doubting the emergence of non-state actors as a serious threat to US global influence. The entire intelligence community has had to rethink foreign policy after the fall of the last considerable threat from a state - the Soviet Union.

The part about non-state actors essentially supports IkeSouth's simple but revealing point: non-state actors, not uniformly, but across the globe act out, in part, due to the economic divisions creates by state plutocracies, Saudi Arabia being a good example.

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IkeSouth wrote:
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
That stands for "trademark", right?

turd muncher.

I thought that was Princess Pissy's genius offspring :lol:


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reduce income inequality DRAMATICALLY. people aren't doing these things because there isn't enough security. theyre doing it because they hate. they hate their life, they hate how your life effects theirs. its a mental disease. start raising kids in a society free from economic slavery and the killings will stop. poverty is the main cause of crime.


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