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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Offseason Plans
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For three years max. That is the key.


The length of the deal doesn't matter when the only reason he won't opt out is because he's injured or bad. That's security for him, not the Cubs.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Offseason Plans
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I was worried the Cubs would have to go five years plus which is past his prime. I would have been okay with a one year deal too. Hopefully their top minor system will produce cost controlled replacements. This is a bridge guy.

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For three years max. That is the key.

At Bryce Harper money for a guy that hasn't done Bryce Harper things since 2019. I'm not saying Hoyer got bent over but Boras objectively won.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Offseason Plans
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If he wants a better contract he'll have to play well enough to opt out. At 28 his goal is one more mega contract, which he wont get if he's 31 and stunk for 3 years.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Offseason Plans
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I was worried the Cubs would have to go five years plus which is past his prime. I would have been okay with a one year deal too. Hopefully their top minor system will produce cost controlled replacements. This is a bridge guy.


I would have been cool with the deal without the player options. There was no reason to give away your leverage

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Offseason Plans
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denisdman wrote:
For three years max. That is the key.

At Bryce Harper money for a guy that hasn't done Bryce Harper things since 2019. I'm not saying Hoyer got bent over but Boras objectively won.

More like Benetendi money. Boras got bent over, only 8 figures? What is this 1997?


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Offseason Plans
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denisdman wrote:
For three years max. That is the key.

At Bryce Harper money for a guy that hasn't done Bryce Harper things since 2019. I'm not saying Hoyer got bent over but Boras objectively won.

More like Benetendi money. Boras got bent over, only 8 figures? What is this 1997?

2 months and you will be bitching about this contract.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Offseason Plans
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For three years max. That is the key.

At Bryce Harper money for a guy that hasn't done Bryce Harper things since 2019. I'm not saying Hoyer got bent over but Boras objectively won.


So you think that if this offer was on the table in November, Bellinger would have accepted it? He was hoping for a six + year deal at $25 million + a year. This is a compromise on his part and the Cubs walk away without being on the hook for $200 million +.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Offseason Plans
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2 months and the Brewers will be in last place

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Offseason Plans
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Perfect example of no matter what happens there are going to be people on both sides of the deal.

Seems like a great deal for both Cubs and Bellinger. I am sure Boras isnt really happy with it as he wanted something way longer with overall money.

The Cubs are not locked into anything long term.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Offseason Plans
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denisdman wrote:
For three years max. That is the key.


If it goes three years, he probably sucked. But yeah, even if he sucks its not long term and if he is good next year you can try and sign him again next winter.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Offseason Plans
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Even if Bellinger has another 4ish WAR season I'm sure the Cubs would prefer he opts out. I'm sure one of Peter blah blah blah, Canario or Alcantara can replace the production.(at 1/10th of the cost) This is just what the Cubs wanted and Boras took an L right in the ass. Don't listen to these jealous Sox fans.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Offseason Plans
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Cub fans wanna put the contract in plexiglass.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Offseason Plans
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Cub fans wanna put the contract in plexiglass.


Yeah that’s what we’re doing. Oh wait, we’re just happy they signed a good player. I wonder where that contact value would rank in Sox history?

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Offseason Plans
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Cub fans wanna put the contract in plexiglass.


Yeah that’s what we’re doing. Oh wait, we’re just happy they signed a good player. I wonder where that contact value would rank in Sox history?

Put that cube next to Attendance Trophy

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Offseason Plans
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Nardi wrote:
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Cub fans wanna put the contract in plexiglass.


Yeah that’s what we’re doing. Oh wait, we’re just happy they signed a good player. I wonder where that contact value would rank in Sox history?

Put that cube next to Attendance Trophy


How about at the corner of Clark and Roosevelt where the next Sox dump isn't going?


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Offseason Plans
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Cub fans wanna put the contract in plexiglass.


Yeah that’s what we’re doing. Oh wait, we’re just happy they signed a good player. I wonder where that contact value would rank in Sox history?

Put that cube next to Attendance Trophy


How about at the corner of Clark and Roosevelt where the next Sox dump isn't going?

Be nice to future Cub fans. Might finally have some folks with baseball acumen.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Offseason Plans
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The structure is 30/30/20, and the 20 is there mostly to lower the AAV to keep the Cubs under the CBT. So some of that 20 is hedge for not paying tax this year and possibly paying less tax as a first year payer in 2025. I would expect that the Cubs will have insurance on years 2 and 3 in case of any major injuries worthy of a 60-day IL stint.

What I haven't heard yet is if there is a full or partial NTC. Because if there is no NTC, the Cubs would have the flexibility to trade him over the winter to a team like the Giants if Busch, Morel, and either PCA or Canario all play well in 2024. I just cannot imagine that Bellinger would risk getting traded, and so if there is no NTC then he's going to opt-out after year 1 unless he turns into 2018 Jason Heyward overnight.

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I think they can only trade him before the deadline.

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For three years max. That is the key.

At Bryce Harper money for a guy that hasn't done Bryce Harper things since 2019. I'm not saying Hoyer got bent over but Boras objectively won.


So you think that if this offer was on the table in November, Bellinger would have accepted it? He was hoping for a six + year deal at $25 million + a year. This is a compromise on his part and the Cubs walk away without being on the hook for $200 million +.

Dude, it's Cody Bellinger. And I have no idea what lies Boras told him.

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For three years max. That is the key.

At Bryce Harper money for a guy that hasn't done Bryce Harper things since 2019. I'm not saying Hoyer got bent over but Boras objectively won.


So you think that if this offer was on the table in November, Bellinger would have accepted it? He was hoping for a six + year deal at $25 million + a year. This is a compromise on his part and the Cubs walk away without being on the hook for $200 million +.

Dude, it's Cody Bellinger. And I have no idea what lies Boras told him.


Mlbtraderumors.com initially predicted a 12 year $246 million deal for him and then revised it downward to 3 years $90 million when he started lingering:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/02/ ... inger.html

Either way, the Cubs beat those estimates.


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Good job on the Cubs pulling a "Cheap Jerry" type deal!

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Good job on the Cubs pulling a "Cheap Jerry" type deal!


Sounds like Cody took less money to play with the 2024 Division Champion Cubs


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I thought the cubs would get worse this year under the assumption that their best player was leaving in FA.

Now I have to pivot to the cubs getting worse this year because they spent too much money on a guy who’ll regress significantly.

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I just cannot imagine that Bellinger would risk getting traded, and so if there is no NTC then he's going to opt-out after year 1 unless he turns into 2018 Jason Heyward overnight.


Or 2021 Cody Bellinger

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Good job on the Cubs pulling a "Cheap Jerry" type deal!


Sounds like Cody took less money to play with the 2024 Division Champion Cubs

Yeah, sure he did. Boras is real pliable in those regards.

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the most likely scenario is that Bob is right rather than that Boras is thinking several steps ahead about the optimal outcome for his client

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