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Dude writes like Bernstein, which is to say he writes like garbage.

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Chris Sale has a teammate, though, who you probably wouldn’t recognize unless he walked up to you and said “Hi, I’m Jose Quintana, and I’m really good at my job.” And he should consider doing just that, because Jose Quintana is indeed really freaking good at his job.

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Its like Steve has to make a complete ass out of himself every single day.

Since you have so much in common you two should get along swimmingly.

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America wrote:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-white-sox-have-two-aces/

Dude writes like Bernstein, which is to say he writes like garbage.

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Chris Sale has a teammate, though, who you probably wouldn’t recognize unless he walked up to you and said “Hi, I’m Jose Quintana, and I’m really good at my job.” And he should consider doing just that, because Jose Quintana is indeed really freaking good at his job.

I fucking loathe Cameron, but the part about Quintana being one of the best pitchers in baseball now is spot on. If Q was on the Cubs they'd be building a 200 foot statue of him on top of the Wilson ave crib.


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I think both sides of the W/L debate tend to take it to an obnoxious degree, but I'm in the camp that thinks you can't be considered a great pitcher if you can't win more than half your games. If Q keeps winning this year I'm fine with calling him one of the best pitchers in baseball. He was not one of those last year or the year before.

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I think both sides of the W/L debate tend to take it to an obnoxious degree, but I'm in the camp that thinks you can't be considered a great pitcher if you can't win more than half your games. If Q keeps winning this year I'm fine with calling him one of the best pitchers in baseball. He was not one of those last year or the year before.


The other thing to consider is the small sample size. Jason Hammel was outstanding in each of the past 2 seasons in the first half. Then he was pretty mediocre in the 2nd half of each season. This year he's off to a great start, similar to Quintana actually. but you won't hear Cubs fans saying he's a great pitcher. We might say he's off to a great start again, but a guy has to put together some full season's before he can be called an outstanding pitcher. Quintana like Hammel, has yet to put together a great full season.

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I think both sides of the W/L debate tend to take it to an obnoxious degree, but I'm in the camp that thinks you can't be considered a great pitcher if you can't win more than half your games. If Q keeps winning this year I'm fine with calling him one of the best pitchers in baseball. He was not one of those last year or the year before.


The other thing to consider is the small sample size. Jason Hammel was outstanding in each of the past 2 seasons in the first half. Then he was pretty mediocre in the 2nd half of each season. This year he's off to a great start, similar to Quintana actually. but you won't hear Cubs fans saying he's a great pitcher. We might say he's off to a great start again, but a guy has to put together some full season's before he can be called an outstanding pitcher. Quintana like Hammel, has yet to put together a great full season.

You should read the article. Quintana has been one of the better pitchers in baseball for a long time now, he's been doing it longer than your prized Arrieta (and he's been doing in a tougher league, and he's a lefty, and he's 4 years younger than Arrieta, and he's cheaper... so on and so on).

If you think you can make JORR's W/L argument even 1% as convincingly as JORR can you've got another thing coming. It'll be like Wesley Willis trying to play Chopin. You aren't qualified to make it and you'll embarrass yourself if you try.


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America wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
I think both sides of the W/L debate tend to take it to an obnoxious degree, but I'm in the camp that thinks you can't be considered a great pitcher if you can't win more than half your games. If Q keeps winning this year I'm fine with calling him one of the best pitchers in baseball. He was not one of those last year or the year before.


The other thing to consider is the small sample size. Jason Hammel was outstanding in each of the past 2 seasons in the first half. Then he was pretty mediocre in the 2nd half of each season. This year he's off to a great start, similar to Quintana actually. but you won't hear Cubs fans saying he's a great pitcher. We might say he's off to a great start again, but a guy has to put together some full season's before he can be called an outstanding pitcher. Quintana like Hammel, has yet to put together a great full season.

You should read the article. Quintana has been one of the better pitchers in baseball for a long time now, he's been doing it longer than your prized Arrieta (and he's been doing in a tougher league, and he's a lefty, and he's 4 years younger than Arrieta, and he's cheaper... so on and so on).

If you think you can make JORR's W/L argument even 1% as convincingly as JORR can you've got another thing coming. It'll be like Wesley Willis trying to play Chopin. You aren't qualified to make it and you'll embarrass yourself if you try.


Exactly. If you actually watch him pitch this would be clear.

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So we just gonna ignore this cat magically adding MPH given his history of juicing?


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Took long enough. Of course it was some guy with 2 posts (def a mult, but still).

the fact that Cubs fans didnt immediately leap on the Quintana's positive test when he was with the Yankees while we were tearing Arrieta apart just shows how little they know about the game.


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Nas wrote:
America wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
I think both sides of the W/L debate tend to take it to an obnoxious degree, but I'm in the camp that thinks you can't be considered a great pitcher if you can't win more than half your games. If Q keeps winning this year I'm fine with calling him one of the best pitchers in baseball. He was not one of those last year or the year before.


The other thing to consider is the small sample size. Jason Hammel was outstanding in each of the past 2 seasons in the first half. Then he was pretty mediocre in the 2nd half of each season. This year he's off to a great start, similar to Quintana actually. but you won't hear Cubs fans saying he's a great pitcher. We might say he's off to a great start again, but a guy has to put together some full season's before he can be called an outstanding pitcher. Quintana like Hammel, has yet to put together a great full season.

You should read the article. Quintana has been one of the better pitchers in baseball for a long time now, he's been doing it longer than your prized Arrieta (and he's been doing in a tougher league, and he's a lefty, and he's 4 years younger than Arrieta, and he's cheaper... so on and so on).

If you think you can make JORR's W/L argument even 1% as convincingly as JORR can you've got another thing coming. It'll be like Wesley Willis trying to play Chopin. You aren't qualified to make it and you'll embarrass yourself if you try.



Exactly. If you actually watch him pitch this would be clear.



I'm not saying Quintana is not a GOOD pitcher. Hell, I had suggested the Cubs investigate a trade for him. He's got a lifetime 3.36 ERA and has NEVER had a season with an ERA under 3.32. NEVER. He is off to a nice start, but it's very likely he will revert back to the numbers he has put up year in and year out. Good, not Cy Young great though.

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I'm not saying Quintana is not a GOOD pitcher. Hell, I had suggested the Cubs investigate a trade for him. He's got a lifetime 3.36 ERA and has NEVER had a season with an ERA under 3.32. NEVER. He is off to a nice start, but it's very likely he will revert back to the numbers he has put up year in and year out. Good, not Cy Young great though.


Well with this logic Jake will have his standard 4.5 ERA in no time. Kale and yoga.

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I'm not saying Quintana is not a GOOD pitcher. Hell, I had suggested the Cubs investigate a trade for him. He's got a lifetime 3.36 ERA and has NEVER had a season with an ERA under 3.32. NEVER. He is off to a nice start, but it's very likely he will revert back to the numbers he has put up year in and year out. Good, not Cy Young great though.


Well with this logic Jake will have his standard 4.5 ERA in no time. Kale and yoga.

:lol:

Besides, revert to what? He's been a pretty solid pitcher for several years now.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:

I'm not saying Quintana is not a GOOD pitcher. Hell, I had suggested the Cubs investigate a trade for him. He's got a lifetime 3.36 ERA and has NEVER had a season with an ERA under 3.32. NEVER. He is off to a nice start, but it's very likely he will revert back to the numbers he has put up year in and year out. Good, not Cy Young great though.


Well with this logic Jake will have his standard 4.5 ERA in no time. Kale and yoga.

:lol:

Besides, revert to what? He's been a pretty solid pitcher for several years now.


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Fucking Heyward is a disaster everywhere but the field . Jesus fuck, dude.

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Fucking Heyward is a disaster everywhere but the field . Jesus fuck, dude.

:lol: Kinda like your posting, eh?

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Badrouge's posting does not have a "field"


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Fucking Heyward is a disaster everywhere but the field . Jesus fuck, dude.


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This is a White Sox thread, silly!


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