Thibs, no doubt on orders from the front-office, gave Dougie McEuroBucketts plenty of playing time early on:



But when you shoot 40% from the floor, 30% from behind the 3 pt line and 66% from the FT line....AND you're a huge liability on defense

I understand what you're saying to a degree but 10 min. in Dec. Is not a lot of time for a rookie that is alleged to have been a key player in your season. I'm glad you found that thread. There was a lot of McDermott love back then particularly on this board. My thoughts were more in tune with yours. I didn't like the pick because there were guys I wanted the Bulls to draft that would have been better. I also didn't like the fact that they traded 2 picks to move up. One of the picks was only five spots down.

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I'm sure they didn't actually think he was Gary Payton when they traded picks to move up and draft him. McDermott can score in that league. And he'll shoot better than 40% if he's given a chance to play. If you were looking for a defensive stalwart, why the fuck did you draft McDermott anyway?

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I think that his lack of development is more a product of Thibs herky jerky rotation style. After 5 yrs of this it is apparent in how he coaches. He will always err on the side of the grindy defensive minded player. This notion that guys like Butler developed under him is bullshit. Butler didn't really play like McDermott until Deng became injured. You don't get better by sitting. McDermott should be playing.

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McDermott spent his first 3 years in college playing against the MVC. Big East was down some the year Creighton joined and McDermott was still there.

But when McDermott faced speedy, athletic teams like Georgetown or George Washington (who made the NCAA tourney that year), he'd go 7-27 and 1-10 from 3 pt land.

The NBA game is too fast and physical for Dougie McEuroBucketts.

I really don't think he played enough to gauge whether he could play or not though. If Hinrich could avg. 27 min. a game then there should have been min. for McDermott. Hinrich was starting alongside Rose and Butler for awhile. Those min. Could have gone to McDermott.

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Lets not get too revisionist history-ey here.

Butler came into the league during a lockout season with little training camp, and was on a team with a very deep bench (Bench Mob). There was no spot for him to play, and he probably didn't deserve to crack an already deep rotation.

Mirotic was terrible at the beginning of this season, like stunningly bad. He looked completely lost on the floor and was embarrassed on the defensive end regularly. He was racking up a bunch of fouls in limited minutes. He didn't deserve to be out there either until he figured out not to foul someone on every possession.

Doug McDermott is just bad. He doesn't deserve to be on the floor, and GarPax should have sent him to the D-League after he got back from his injury.

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How could you possibly know that?

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It's waaaaay too early to write McDermott off. Rookies in every sport are judged too harshly in my opinion. And based on their track record with drafting, I'll give GarPax the benefit of the doubt. Like I've said, I don't agree with Thibs' approach to young players, but how many people were ready for the Bull to rid themselves of Snell? Maybe he knows what he's doing.

That is a lot of work to prove you were wrong.

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I'm not saying that McDermott should be written off, but he was obviously not ready for the NBA game. A D-League stint probably would have been a good thing for him.

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It is assumed that Butler was not ready to play because Thibs didn't play him. Just like it was assumed that Mirotic was not ready to play because Thibs didn't play him. Yeah I will grant you the foul thing but guys don't turn it around that fast without being ready to play in the first place. Even in Butlers 2nd year Thibs really didn't play him much. Once Deng was injured people thought it was a big loss until Butler began playing and people began to realize that damn this guy can actually play.



Thibs gets a pass too often in these situations. He uses the rookies aren't ready to defend garbage every chance he gets to justify not playing them. Hinrich should only play if Rose or Brooks out but he continued to play him alongside Rose when Dunleavy was out. Hinrich has been terrible all yr. He has received consistent playing time.

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Wrong. Butler played all 82 games in his 2nd season and averaged 26 minutes a game.

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His minutes went up once Deng was injured thus 26 min. A game is not a lot. He should have started alongside Deng. Instead he was bagging up the guy who was known for playing heavy min. Rip was supposed to be the 2 we know how that went.

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He only started 20 games that yr. I'm sure that occurred once Deng was injured.

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He averaged more minutes than Rip also. Rip might have started a bunch, but Jimmy finished those games.

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if you go to basketball-ref.com. and look at the game by game breakdown of his min. per game just for the close games in Dec and Jan you will see what I am talking about. It's for 2012-2013. The amount of time he received is laughable in some cases. There were a number of games in which he played less than 15 min. A game. There were a number of games he played less than 10 min a game. The Bulls were scrambling for a 2 and yet he didn't really play much. His min. Went up tremendously after Deng was injured like 45 plus in some cases

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Luol Deng was an all-star that season. Are you suggesting that Thibs should have played Butler more minutes than Luol Deng when both were healthy?

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I think he should have played alongside of him. Butler was not much of a shooter but the Bulls didn't have a number of options.

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always trying to find the sinical side of professionals... maybe thibs and garpax thought mcdouble would be a great player to develop and its just taking longer because his injury set him back

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