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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:07 pm 
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I wouldnt even have a problem voting for him for the all star team. unfortunately there is a log jam of good big men ahead of him so he doesnt have a chance. he is all star caliber...so far this year


I think if he's still leading the league in rebounding by the break, then he gets in. I can't believe it, I was so against the pick, but damn if Noah isn't one of my favorite Bulls to watch.

Guys, if memory serves, the Bulls got Joakim Noah with the #9 overall pick, and part of the Eddy Curry trade with the Knicks I believe in 2006...


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:19 pm 
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joakim noah's ceiling is the hyper-belt.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:56 pm 
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he was a pick that came from the curry deal. i remember because i was pissed that they wasted it on that clown. ive changed my mind. not about him being a clown though hes still a goofy ass looking dude


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:03 pm 
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While Derrick Rose's game will continue to improve, I think Joakim Noah's in for a breakthrough season for the Bulls this year. I think Noah averages 10 points & 15 rebounds this season, thanks in large part to what he did in that 7-game playoff gutcheck vs. Boston and the extra time in the weight room during the offseason will pay dividends. Noah might warrant some All-Star consideration if he does, especially given the lack of true centers in the East beyond an aging Shaquille O'Neal in Cleveland & Dwight Howard in Orlando.

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I hated the pick on draft night and still believe Hawes was a better player but he is far better than I thought he would be. I believe he could end up being a Rodman type player. I think his ceiling is somewhere around 10 points and 15 rebounds. I love the energy he brings every game.


I think you guys are going a little too far there. With 15 RPG, you're putting Noah up there with the all time greats:

I hope I'm wrong, but again, 15 RPG pretty much makes him a HOF'er.

http://www.nbauniverse.com/awards/nba_rebounds_leader_year.htm

NBA Rebounds Leaders Year by Year
Season Rebounds Leader Team Games Total Rebounds Rebounds Per Game
2008-09 Dwight Howard Orlando Magic 79 1,093 13.8
2007-08 Dwight Howard Orlando Magic 82 1,161 14.2
2006-07 Kevin Garnett Minnesota Timberwolves 76 975 12.8
2005-06 Kevin Garnett Minnesota Timberwolves 72 966 12.7
2004-05 Kevin Garnett Minnesota Timberwolves 82 1,108 13.5
2003-04 Kevin Garnett Minnesota Timberwolves 82 1,139 13.9
2002-03 Ben Wallace Detroit Pistons 73 1,126 15.4
2001-02 Ben Wallace Detroit Pistons 80 1,039 13.0
2000-01 Dikembe Mutombo Atllanta Hawks - Philadelphia 76ers 75 1,015 13.5
1999-00 Dikembe Mutombo Atlanta Hawks 82 1,157 14.1
1998-99 Chris Webber Sacramento Kings 42 545 13.0
1997-98 Dennis Rodman (1) Chicago Bulls 80 1,201 15.0
1996-97 Dennis Rodman (1) Chicago Bulls 55 883 16.1
1995-96 Dennis Rodman (1) Chicago Bulls 64 952 14.9
1994-95 Dennis Rodman San Antonio Spurs 49 823 16.8
1993-94 Dennis Rodman San Antonio Spurs 79 1,132 17.3
1992-93 Dennis Rodman Detroit Pistons 62 1,232 18.3
1991-92 Dennis Rodman Detroit Pistons 82 1,530 18.7
1990-91 David Robinson San Antonio Spurs 82 1,063 13.0
1989-90 Hakeem Olajuwon Houston Rockets 82 1,149 14.0
1988-89 Hakeem Olajuwon Houston Rockets 82 1,105 13.5
1987-88 Michael Cage L.A. Clippers 72 938 13.0
1986-87 Charles Barkley Philadelphia 76ers 68 994 14.6
1985-86 Bill Laimbeer Detroit Pistons 82 1,075 13.1
1984-85 Moses Malone Philadelphia 76ers 79 1,031 13.1
1983-84 Moses Malone Philadelphia 76ers 71 950 13.4
1982-83 Moses Malone (1) Philadelphia 76ers 78 1,194 15.3
1981-82 Moses Malone Houston Rockets 81 1,188 14.7
1980-81 Moses Malone Houston Rockets 80 1,180 14.8
1979-80 Swen Nater San Diego Clippers 81 1,216 15.0
1978-79 Moses Malone Houston Rockets 82 1,444 17.6
1977-78 Len "Truck" Robinson New Orleans Jazz 82 1,288 15.7
1976-77 Bill Walton (1) Portland Trail Blazers 65 934 14.4
1975-76 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Los Angeles Lakers 82 1,383 16.9
1974-75 Wes Unseld Washington Bullets 73 1,077 14.8
1973-74 Elvin Hayes Capital Bullets 81 1,463 18.1
1972-73 Wilt Chamberlain Los Angeles Lakers 82 1,526 18.6
1971-72 Wilt Chamberlain (1) Los Angeles Lakers 82 1,572 19.2
1970-71 Wilt Chamberlain Los Angeles Lakers 82 1,493 18.2
1969-70 Elvin Hayes San Diego Rockets 82 1,386 16.9
1968-69 Wilt Chamberlain Los Angeles Lakers 81 1,712 21.1
1967-68 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia 76ers 82 1,952 23.8
1966-67 Wilt Chamberlain (1) Philadelphia 76ers 81 1,957 24.2
1965-66 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia 76ers 79 1,943 24.6
1964-65 Bill Russell (1) Boston Celtics 78 1,878 24.1
1963-64 Bill Russell (1) Boston Celtics 78 1,930 24.7
1962-63 Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco Warriors 80 1,946 24.3
1961-62 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 80 2,052 25.7
1960-61 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 79 2,149 27.2
1959-60 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors 72 1,941 27.0
1958-59 Bill Russell (1) Boston Celtics 70 1,612 23.0
1957-58 Bill Russell Boston Celtics 69 1,564 22.7
1956-57 Maurice Stokes Rochester Royals 72 1,256 17.4
1955-56 Bob Pettit St. Louis Hawks 72 1,164 16.2
1954-55 Neil Johnston Philadelphia Warriors 72 1,085 15.1
1953-54 Harry Gallatin New York Knicks 72 1,098 15.3
1952-53 George Mikan (1) Minneapolis Lakers 70 1,007 14.4
1951-52 Mel Hutchins Milwaukee Hawks 66 880 13.3
Larry Foust Fort Wayne Pistons 66 880 13.3
1950-51 Dolph Schayes Syracuse Nationals 66 1,080 16.4

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:15 am 
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Beyond the rebounding and the hustle what I like mos about Noah this season is that he is finishing at the rim.

He's had a number of nice drives to the rim where he finishes with a dunk, and an assload of putbacks. Without him cleaning up the glass, the Bulls' records would be very poor right now.

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he has more offense than rodman could ever have. rodman couldnt even finish at the rim like he does


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he has more offense than rodman could ever have. rodman couldnt even finish at the rim like he does


You know I always wondered about that aspect of Rodman's game. Wasn't he a prolific scorer in college? I seem to remember him being at least decent on the offensive end early on with the Pistons, maybe he just stopped caring about offense; though I think he could have scored more if he wanted to.

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West46thStreet wrote:
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he has more offense than rodman could ever have. rodman couldnt even finish at the rim like he does


You know I always wondered about that aspect of Rodman's game. Wasn't he a prolific scorer in college? I seem to remember him being at least decent on the offensive end early on with the Pistons, maybe he just stopped caring about offense; though I think he could have scored more if he wanted to.

I used to love when Dennis would throw up 3's when the Bulls had a blowout lead. He might knock down 1/20, but it was always hilarious. Any other coach and any other team would have crucified him for it.

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West46thStreet wrote:
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he has more offense than rodman could ever have. rodman couldnt even finish at the rim like he does


You know I always wondered about that aspect of Rodman's game. Wasn't he a prolific scorer in college? I seem to remember him being at least decent on the offensive end early on with the Pistons, maybe he just stopped caring about offense; though I think he could have scored more if he wanted to.

He has nearly 1000 points one year (an 11.6 average)...
Had a couple mid 9's/game average too, a couple high 8s but with Chicago that dropped to mid 5's.

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I didn't read the whole thread so if I am repeating someone's point, I apologai.

The thing I like about Noah is his positioning. He isn't very strong, at least upper body strong, but he has sneaky strength and good positioning.

The key to being a good rebounder IMO isn't being able to leap out of the gym; it's about a sense of timing, balance and positioning as well as an instinct as to where the ball is going to end up. He has that ability.

There were two or three runs against Sacramento where they were looking to cut it to a single digit lead where Noah positioned himself to get easy tip ins that swung the tide.

His jumper is god awful, but his touch seems to be softening too.

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The matchup in the middle tonight should be a doozy when the Bulls and NBA Champion Lakers tipoff just after 9:30p this eve on their favorite cable channel TNT. The Bulls' Noah and the Lakers' Andrew Bynum should be quite a matchup to watch for those staying up extra late to tune in...


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Pau making his season debut as well.

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The matchup in the middle tonight should be a doozy when the Bulls and NBA Champion Lakers tipoff just after 9:30p this eve on their favorite cable channel TNT. The Bulls' Noah and the Lakers' Andrew Bynum should be quite a matchup to watch for those staying up extra late to tune in...

I bet Mac is the only Media guy in all of Chicagoland who's going to watch the whole thing, SHARK. You think other reporters or broadcasters will be interested?

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