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Norway is a soccer country. For some reason, they never quite picked up on hockey like the rest of the region. Even Denmark is starting to get a good thing going: Frans Nielsen with the Isles, Lars Eller with the Habs, Mikkel Boedker with the Coyotes.

The Hawks briefly had a Norwegian prospect named Mathis Olimb. Someone injured him in practice, knocked him out for the year, and he went back home having contributed nothing. The player who injured him? Kyle Beach.

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I wouldn't call Norway a soccer country. I think they have 1 or 2 players at most in the upper echelon leagues in Europe. If I had to call Norway anything it would be a cross country skiiing country. I think that's about the only sport they are good at.

Kinda crazy that Sweden is right next door with the same climate and yet totally different outlook on sports.

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And languages that are fairly mutually intelligible, at that.

I wonder what's the matter with Quebec lately. They're just not churning 'em out like they used to. I mean, Drouin and MacKinnon are both going to be in the top 3 this year, so that's a feather in the Q's cap, but MacKinnon is a Maritimer, so he doesn't really count. Racism?

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Dumas looks vaguely like former Sharks owner and imaginary Coyotes owner Greg Jamison:

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Teravainen is going to be something special, but size is a concern. We're small as it is.


:lol: great comparison

We do have some size issues. I'm really hoping Danault can play around 200. If we can get him signed
Stephen Johns is just what we need on the blue line. 6'3 220 and hits like a freight train. Mark McNeil is another fairly skilled fwd who has decent size @210 lbs.

The Swede I was thinking of was Joakim Nordstrom.

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I wouldn't call Norway a soccer country. I think they have 1 or 2 players at most in the upper echelon leagues in Europe. If I had to call Norway anything it would be a cross country skiiing country. I think that's about the only sport they are good at.

Kinda crazy that Sweden is right next door with the same climate and yet totally different outlook on sports.


Don't forget the old past time of skiing and shooting a rifle at the same time. Norway is full of alpine snipers.

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Curious Hair wrote:
And languages that are fairly mutually intelligible, at that.

I wonder what's the matter with Quebec lately. They're just not churning 'em out like they used to. I mean, Drouin and MacKinnon are both going to be in the top 3 this year, so that's a feather in the Q's cap, but MacKinnon is a Maritimer, so he doesn't really count. Racism?


Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the OHL & WHL have been turning out a lot more prospects than the Q for at least a decade, right? Interesting how the style of play is different from league to league. Isn't the WHL a much more physical league?

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I'm really hoping Danault can play around 200. If we can get him signed

Danault is on the 50-man roster.

EDIT: Capgeek has him signed through 2015 but says he's a slide risk, which I assume means he'll slide to 2016.

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Curious Hair wrote:
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I'm really hoping Danault can play around 200. If we can get him signed

Danault is on the 50-man roster.

EDIT: Capgeek has him signed through 2015 but says he's a slide risk, which I assume means he'll slide to 2016.

Sorry my writing wasn't very clear. I meant if we can get Johns signed. He's currently at Notre dame and I am pretty sure we lose his rights after this year. Rumor has it he wants to play for the penguins.

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Curious Hair wrote:
And languages that are fairly mutually intelligible, at that.

I wonder what's the matter with Quebec lately. They're just not churning 'em out like they used to. I mean, Drouin and MacKinnon are both going to be in the top 3 this year, so that's a feather in the Q's cap, but MacKinnon is a Maritimer, so he doesn't really count. Racism?


Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the OHL & WHL have been turning out a lot more prospects than the Q for at least a decade, right? Interesting how the style of play is different from league to league. Isn't the WHL a much more physical league?

WHL is physical, OHL is well-rounded, Q is finesse and goaltending. Crosby came out of the Q, though, and the Q's team has won the last three Memorial Cups.

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Facing another good face off team. Kopitar, Richards, Fraser, Stoll etc are all pretty good face off guys. Their playoff face off percentages aren't too impressive but you have to remember they faced the Blues and Sharks, teams with good center depth...

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The last two Stanley Cup winners out of the West will meet in the Conference Finals, and despite the lack of playoff history—they last met in 1974—it already shapes up to be a terrific series. The Kings are the prototypical playoff team—big, strong, and built from the net out—while the Blackhawks are considerably smaller and place more of an emphasis on offensive production.

It's a series that will shape the perception of what matters in a playoff team.

Even strength

Los Angeles Kings close-game Fenwick: 57.4% (Rank: 1st in NHL)
Chicago Blackhawks close-game Fenwick: 55.8% (Rank: 2nd in NHL)
Total: Los Angeles Kings, 1.6%

A common immediate reaction following Chicago's overtime, Game 7 victory over Detroit was that the four teams left in the postseason are the best four teams in the league. In the West, the possession numbers certainly support that; the Kings have the edge here, but both teams are superb.

Interestingly, things have changed significantly in the postseason—Chicago leads the West in Fenwick close (54.3%), but Los Angeles has dropped down to below even in that department (49.7%).

Advantage: Los Angeles Kings, narrowly

Chicago Blackhawks offense vs. Los Angeles Kings defense

Chicago Blackhawks offense: 21.6 GVT (Rank: 2nd in NHL)
Los Angeles Kings defense: 16.2 GVT (Rank: 4th in NHL)
Los Angeles Kings goaltending: -4.2 GVT (Rank: 17th in NHL)
Total: Chicago Blackhawks, 9.6 GVT

No team in the West scored more than the 155 goals (3.23 goals per game) Chicago managed, and while they have dropped to 2.75 goals per game in the playoffs, they have still scored at a higher rate than every team in the West other than Anaheim. The quartet of Patrick Kane, Jonathan Toews, Marian Hossa, and Patrick Sharp lead the way—and remarkably, Chicago has won two rounds despite getting very little production from Toews, arguably the most important player on the team.

Chicago is the only Western Conference team in the top eight in terms of shots per game in the postseason.

This is an incredibly dynamic offensive team, with a deep and balanced attack; if any club can pierce the defensive wall the Kings have erected, it will be the Blackhawks.

Jonathan Quick is the single most important player in this matchup. He is getting significant attention as a Conn Smythe candidate, and deservedly so: after a lousy regular season (37 games, .902 save percentage), he has been truly exceptional through two rounds (.948 save percentage). If he maintains the postseason performance that he has managed through his last six playoff rounds, Chicago is going to have a very tough time scoring.

The Kings are also a strong defensive team—they have a solid set of forwards, a good top six and a teamwide commitment to preventing goals. Even so, they allow more shots per game than the Blackhawks do.

Advantage: Chicago Blackhawks

Los Angeles Kings offense vs. Chicago Blackhawks defense

Los Angeles Kings offense: 3.6 GVT (Rank: 10th in NHL)
Chicago Blackhawks defense: 17.1 GVT (Rank: 3rd in NHL)
Chicago Blackhawks goaltending: 10.0 GVT (6th in NHL)
Total: Los Angeles Kings, -23.5 GVT

The funny thing about Los Angeles is that they have a fairly capable group of offensive players. Even ignoring the top line of Anze Kopitar, Dustin Brown, and Justin Williams, they have Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Dustin Penner, and a group of defensemen that can move the puck up ice in a hurry. They were third in Western Conference goal scoring in the regular season, behind only Anaheim and Chicago.

They seem to have let all that go in the postseason. Averaging 2.0 goals per game, Los Angeles is tied with Vancouver for 11th in postseason offensive production; not only do all three remaining teams rank much higher, but eight eliminated clubs have scored as much or more on a per-game basis. This isn't a fluke of the percentages, either. No team in the playoffs has generated fewer shots per game than the Kings' 24.8. Even 15th-ranked Minnesota is worlds better, averaging three shots per game more than L.A.

Even more interesting: Los Angeles' third opponent this postseason was the best defensive squad in 2012-13, surrendering a league-low 102 goals.

In net, Corey Crawford is having an excellent playoffs after a brilliant campaign during the regular season. He has had one sub-.900 save percentage game in his last 20. He still catches some criticism for the goals that have been scored on him, but he is making a ridiculous percentage of stops and has all year.

The blue line showed some cracks against the Red Wings, but boasts three pairings that should be strengths. Former Norris Trophy winner Duncan Keith anchors the top unit along with Niklas Hjalmarsson, while veterans Johnny Oduya and Michal Rozsival hold down second-pairing duty. The third unit of Brent Seabrook and Nick Leddy has been lit up, but actually haven't been on the ice for that many shots against—they are just the guys with a terrible on-ice save percentage. This is a group that, taken together, was better in the regular season than they have been in the postseason; they have the talent to improve against Los Angeles.

Advantage: Chicago Blackhawks

Chicago Blackhawks power play vs. Los Angeles Kings penalty kill

Chicago Blackhawks power play: -4.4 GVT (Rank: 22nd in NHL)
Los Angeles Kings penalty kill: 1.2 GVT (Rank: 14th in NHL)
Total: Chicago Blackhawks, -5.6 GVT

Chicago's power play hasn't worked all year despite a wealth of talent. That hasn't changed in the playoffs. The Kings aren't particularly stellar penalty killers, but there is little reason to think they need to be.

Advantage: Los Angeles Kings

Los Angeles Kings power play vs. Chicago Blackhawks penalty kill

Chicago Blackhawks penalty kill: 10.0 GVT (Rank: 2nd in NHL)
Los Angeles Kings power play: 5.0 GVT (Rank: 7th in NHL)
Total: Los Angeles Kings, -5.0 GVT

The other special teams matchup may be a case of the middling versus the worse-than-middling, but that doesn't extend to this matchup. Chicago had a tremendous penalty kill all year and is clicking at a 97.6% rate in the playoffs (though that has a lot more to do with a ridiculous run in net than it does with stellar shot prevention). The Kings have a solid power play, but they will be tested in this series.

Advantage: Chicago Blackhawks

Season Series

The Kings and Blackhawks met three times during the abbreviated 2013 NHL season, with the Blackhawks winning twice and the Kings once. Shots were even (84-84) and the Blackhawks had a 12-9 goal advantage.

Advantage: Chicago Blackhawks

Faceoffs

Chicago Blackhawks faceoff percentage: 50.8% (Rank: 11th in NHL)
Los Angeles Kings faceoff percentage: 52.0% (Rank: 4th in NHL)
Total: Los Angeles Kings, 1.2%

The playoffs are a testament to the near-irrelevance of faceoffs, at least in the West. The Kings rank 14th in postseason efficiency, at 45.7%, and they beat second-ranked San Jose (55.8%), while the 13th-ranked Blackhawks (47.6%) just defeated number three team Detroit (53.0%).

Advantage: Los Angeles Kings

Injuries and Intangibles

Both of these teams have won a Stanley Cup recently; there is very little to read here in terms of intangibles. There is a long break in the schedule, and both clubs will be rested after grueling seven-game series.

The Kings could use the rest. Jarret Stoll was concussed in their second round series against the Sharks; the news has mostly been good, but there has been no firm date set for his return. Kyle Clifford and Matt Greene both returned from injury in the last round, so the possibility exists that the entire team will be healthy (or at least "playoff healthy") for the opening game of the Western Conference Finals.

Chicago also got a little healthier in the second round, and the return of high-end checking center Dave Bolland was a significant boost to their lineup. Also getting healthy was backup goaltender Ray Emery, though he will only be called on if Crawford struggles.

Advantage: Chicago Blackhawks

Prediction

Chicago Blackhawks: 53.0 GVT (Rank: 1st in NHL)
Los Angeles Kings: 15.0 GVT (Rank: 8th in NHL)
Total: Chicago Blackhawks, 38.0 GVT

This is a series that should probably be seen as decidedly closer in fact than it is on paper based on regular season results. During 2013, the Kings thrived despite an awful performance from Jonathan Quick. With Quick on his game, they are a far more formidable rival.

However, the Kings won't get away with their lack of offensive production forever. Their shot rates are down 20% from where they were when they won the Stanley Cup last year, and their goal scoring is down 30%. They were able to sneak past St. Louis and San Jose with a popgun offense, but they won't be able to beat Chicago the same way.

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About time someone predicted the Hawks wining, seems lots of people think the Kings are an insurmountable force. Fuck them , lets not give them the Conference trophy just yet. I think if the Hawks get the first one here at home, they win in 6. If they lose first game, I think theyre fucked. Hows that for fence riding?

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I've seen a handful of national experts pick the Kings to win this series in either 6 or 7 games. In my opinion, Jonathan Quick has to be at the top of his game for the Stanley Cup Champions to advance.

I heard an interview Mac & Spiegs had with 720 WGN Radio's John Wiedeman earlier today. Wiedeman thinks that Corey Crawford is playing with a chip on his shoulder and that he likes it. I've been tough on the Blackhawks' goalie, but he's been really good for the most part during the NHL's second season to this point. I hope Crawford is just as sharp, if not better than Quick starting tomorrow.


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seems lots of people think the Kings are an insurmountable force.

OHHH OHHH HEY EDZO LOOK HOW BIG THE L.A. KINGS ARE OHHH THEY'RE SO BIG OHHH DREW DOUGHTY THEY'RE BIG OHHH BIG BIG BIG SOOOOOO BIG OHHH

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If you want to get fucked up, do a shot every time Pierre calls Brown or Doughty a "Tower of Power" or "Tower of Strength"

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Ten hours till puck drop. Here's to hoping the ice at UC is decent for game 1. Really curious to see how Q matches our lines against theirs.

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Where's the gays?? I like the start for the Hawks so far

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Checking in from Denver. Here the game is on the NBC Sports Network, not the main NBC (there is some track event on, instead)...is it the same back home?

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Not even down with the first period and I am already tired of hearing about how good Quick is.

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Not even down with the first period and I am already tired of hearing about how good Quick is.

Yeah really,you'd think they're going up against Dryden. Tretiak, Roy and Brodeur all at once. The fucking guy is beatable , the Kings actually did lose some games he was in goal for.

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Kings are going to take some serious liberties with the Hawks if that's all the power play can do.

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Backbreaker of a goal to give up.

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Hey he finally gets an assist.

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Stalberg lowers his shoulder delivers a good hit and its a borderline penalty. Any of the huge physical Kings forwards even blow on the Hawks and they're soooo big and physical, oh my how can any team play physical with them and expect to win. Jeez this is approaching Lebron levels of cock gobbling

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Nothing I saw in the first period leads me to believe that the Hawks can't win this series. The bug bad boogeyman that the Kings are look imminently ordinary

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