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Black unemployment has always been twice that of the national avg and probably three to four times that of whites.

There are a number of blacks living in Chicago right now that would say something like

"Why even play when the game is rigged? Fuck a job working for some white ass punk motherfucker making his ass rich!"

He isn't wrong in that he is at a disadvantage, but there is a likely situation where he could be employed and chooses not to. That job then goes to Payaso.

Terrible misrepresentation of what he might say ... I very much assume that he'd be dropping the "g"s on both 'working' and 'making'.

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What if I told you race played a role, but the larger picture was more based upon household starting point? I mean figures such as if it's a 2 parent household (not to say single parents can't do it), parent education level, etc. I would say if you break down the statistics via those measures you get the full picture.

Take children in a black household with 2 educated parents and that child will likely have a better outcome than the white child with divorced parents who have a GED.

I'm not going to discount that race doesn't play a role, as it certainly does. I'm just saying that simplifying it down to race is ignoring other factors at hand. We can certainly agree that race will play a role in things such as school discipline as we certainly know our schools are not evenhanded there, neither is our justice system. We know that a white child and black child in trouble for the same exact thing won't be punished equivalently in most cases and yes that is a problem.


History is not as remote as we all believe.

This is an honest question. I'm not trying to be a dick, but this is an honest question.

Prior to today, have you ever thought about, or come to the realization that there are US citizens today, citizens alive today who's grandparents were slaves?

Just curious if this realization has ever entered your mind?

Think about that. You're on here telling the story of your grandfather and his oppression as a white jew immigrating to America, and his success is a great story and what should be celebrated about America. But someone else could conceivably tell the story about their grandfather being born as property of another human being. Pro-per-fucking-ty.

Your grandfather likely had his property rights violated hundreds of times. Someone else's grandfather WAS property.

This isn't to diminish what your grandfather struggled to accomplish, and it doesn't diminish what anyone else accomplished, it's just for perspective. We aren't as far removed from certain events as it might appear.


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Black unemployment has always been twice that of the national avg and probably three to four times that of whites.

There are a number of blacks living in Chicago right now that would say something like

"Why even play when the game is rigged? Fuck a job working for some white ass punk motherfucker making his ass rich!"

He isn't wrong in that he is at a disadvantage, but there is a likely situation where he could be employed and chooses not to. That job then goes to Payaso.

I'm not gonna 100% co-sign this because I can't verify the actual number of people saying that quote, but I have heard first hand disadvantaged people on the south side say similar things.

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Black unemployment has always been twice that of the national avg and probably three to four times that of whites.

There are a number of blacks living in Chicago right now that would say something like

"Why even play when the game is rigged? Fuck a job working for some white ass punk motherfucker making his ass rich!"

He isn't wrong in that he is at a disadvantage, but there is a likely situation where he could be employed and chooses not to. That job then goes to Payaso.


You are right and I agree. Trust me I do. I have seen it first hand with many of the guys that I grew up with. They removed themselves from the system at an early age and chose a different way. That way at the time was rather lucrative but it was also fleeting and they never realized it. Back then it was modern Horatio Alger stories being born overnight. Couldn't tell them shit as MANY often told me that that particular life and lifestyle was here to stay. I never judged them because I realized that most were in many ways raising themselves. Fast forward 20-25 years and most of them still haven't figured out which way is up.


They did fashion themselves to be entrepreneurs back then and anything that looked like employment was a signal that they'd somehow conformed. It is so crazy but it is no less true.


Regardless, I don't know why it's so difficult to agree that barriers to economic growth affect both whites and blacks, and that blacks can and do face race-based discrimination although not at levels seen prior to and during the civil rights movement.


No one ever said that and you are misinterpreting. It is not about conditions improving as they have. Where I have a problem is with the notion that they should "quit their whining" and move on. There are still a disproportionate number of impoverished blacks in this country. Not all is related to them being shiftless and lazy either. There are a number that are willing to work but the doors to employment simply aren't open to them.

The other problem that I relates to the notion that blacks and whites are in the same boat. The ghettos of this city alone are littered with African Americans. The ghettos of this city were also created specifically for African Americans. Their outgrowth was planned by the political hierarchy of this city. Those are historical truths. The individuals who were able to positively impact the condition of African Americans wanted little to do with them.

As it stands now there is a greater degree of opportunity but make no mistake the playing field still is by no means a leveled one.

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What if I told you race played a role, but the larger picture was more based upon household starting point? I mean figures such as if it's a 2 parent household (not to say single parents can't do it), parent education level, etc. I would say if you break down the statistics via those measures you get the full picture.

Take children in a black household with 2 educated parents and that child will likely have a better outcome than the white child with divorced parents who have a GED.

I'm not going to discount that race doesn't play a role, as it certainly does. I'm just saying that simplifying it down to race is ignoring other factors at hand. We can certainly agree that race will play a role in things such as school discipline as we certainly know our schools are not evenhanded there, neither is our justice system. We know that a white child and black child in trouble for the same exact thing won't be punished equivalently in most cases and yes that is a problem.


History is not as remote as we all believe.

This is an honest question. I'm not trying to be a dick, but this is an honest question.

Prior to today, have you ever thought about, or come to the realization that there are US citizens today, citizens alive today who's grandparents were slaves?

Just curious if this realization has ever entered your mind?

Think about that. You're on here telling the story of your grandfather and his oppression as a white jew immigrating to America, and his success is a great story and what should be celebrated about America. But someone else could conceivably tell the story about their grandfather being born as property of another human being. Pro-per-fucking-ty.

Your grandfather likely had his property rights violated hundreds of times. Someone else's grandfather WAS property.

This isn't to diminish what your grandfather struggled to accomplish, and it doesn't diminish what anyone else accomplished, it's just for perspective. We aren't as far removed from certain events as it might appear.

I'm not disagreeing with what you wrote, One Post (French: Poste Singletonia) and everyone else, but a bunch of us are eliding what white privilege is. We're moving from racial status to social class to neighborhood to family make-up to life experiences (getting harassed by cops, etc.), and so on. Until we clearly agree to the terms of what we're talking about, we're just talking past each other. Yes, I do this, too. It such a complex issue.

Man, so many variables. If you take a few out of context, the idea of white privilege looks foolish indeed. All together, however...


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tommy wrote:
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IMU wrote:
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Black unemployment has always been twice that of the national avg and probably three to four times that of whites.

There are a number of blacks living in Chicago right now that would say something like

"Why even play when the game is rigged? Fuck a job working for some white ass punk motherfucker making his ass rich!"

He isn't wrong in that he is at a disadvantage, but there is a likely situation where he could be employed and chooses not to. That job then goes to Payaso.

I'm not gonna 100% co-sign this because I can't verify the actual number of people saying that quote, but I have heard first hand disadvantaged people on the south side say similar things.

Ain't No Makin' It. Not just a lack of opportunities, but a lack of aspirations to succeed because, why bother? No one else around here succeeds. Hope all vacuumed out.

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That house is right by my moms. Never goingto get what they want as it is across the street from the local park, there is nothing but trouble there with the teens all year round.

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One Post, When did the last slave die? Not counting the guy that claimed to live until 1971 at age 130. A slave's grandchild would be pretty old.

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One Post, When did the last slave die? Not counting the guy that claimed to live until 1971 at age 130. A slave's grandchild would be pretty old.


One of my great-grandfathers was born into slavery in Alabama. I never knew him(died in the 1930s), but my grandfather had a very real hatred of MANY based on his AND his father's retold first hand experiences

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One Post, When did the last slave die? Not counting the guy that claimed to live until 1971 at age 130. A slave's grandchild would be pretty old.


I mean this is just basic math.

A black child born in Alabama in 1861 was a slave. If this slave had an offspring at the age of 50, that child would be born in 1911. If that child of a slave had offspring at the age of 50, that child would be born in 1961. Today that grandchild of a slave would be 57 years old. How old are you Mike? How old are your parents?

Puts it in perspective.

We can move the numbers back and forth to get an older age of the grandchild of a slave, or a younger age of the grandchild of a slave. Are there 10 million grandchildren of slaves in the US today? Clearly no, but it looks like this is the first time you have contemplated that a grandchild of a slave could be posting on this very message board.

Edit from "1961" to "1861"


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One Post, When did the last slave die? Not counting the guy that claimed to live until 1971 at age 130. A slave's grandchild would be pretty old.


One of my great-grandfathers was born into slavery in Alabama. I never knew him(died in the 1930s), but my grandfather had a very real hatred of MANY based on his AND his father's retold first hand experiences


I don't doubt that and deservedly so. But if he fathered a kid in 1930 they would be 88. I was just wondering how common that would be. Sort of like WWI vets and such.

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One Post, When did the last slave die? Not counting the guy that claimed to live until 1971 at age 130. A slave's grandchild would be pretty old.


I mean this is just basic math.

A black child born in Alabama in 1961 was a slave. If this slave had an offspring at the age of 50, that child would be born in 1911. If that child of a slave had offspring at the age of 50, that child would be born in 1961. Today that grandchild of a slave would be 57 years old. How old are you Mike? How old are your parents?

Puts it in perspective.

We can move the numbers back and forth to get an older age of the grandchild of a slave, or a younger age of the grandchild of a slave. Are there 10 million grandchildren of slaves in the US today? Clearly no, but it looks like this is the first time you have contemplated that a grandchild of a slave could be posting on this very message board.


Yeah I responded to Reader on this. I am 51. My grandparents were born in the 1910-1920's.

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A black child born in Alabama in 1961 was a slave.
...to the rhythm.

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This discussion was relative to America. When you couldn't refute it you globalized it to include Europeans and presumed that I didn't care about their struggles. That is the epitome of petty and it demonstrates that you have difficulty with conducting this sort of discussion.

I will expound on the point for you.

ON the reasons that slavery was able to continue was due to the "fact" that poor whites supported it almost as much as rich, aristocratic whites


The idea was white privilege, and I related my families person history as it was known to me. Plenty of poor whites took up arms and died to end slavery. So this pushing of guilt on an entire race is "problematic" to borrow a term from your camp, and you really are not understanding my point. You just want to engage in name calling because you are angry about the topic.

The concept of "white guilt" is your problem. Acknowledging that things haven't always been equal and even today some of those inequalities still remain is better than blind defiance, mentioning atrocities in other countries, or minimizing it because your ancestors had other challenges.

You seem to take it personally that inequality has existed and in some ways still does. You don't have to.


Discussing this is "taking it personally"? Why do you always have to take little shots like that?

We all know that only black suffering matters, but here is a point I was making earlier. I know of several local families from Romania and Poland.

Going back to their great grandparents-parents they lived through World War 1, the famine in the years after the war, the Great Depression, the rise of Fascism, the German invasion at the beginning of World War 2, five years of Nazi rule including genocide, the Red Army invasion at the end of the war, the mass rapes carried out by the Soviet army during their occupation, then decades of Soviet rule, which included poverty, famine and killing of land owners and political dissidents.

Telling these families to check their white privilege is absurd. Why does only Jim Crow era oppression "need to be acknowledged" or whatever you want done? Do we need to acknowledge that we bombed or fought wars against most Asian countries in the 20th Century because we did not like their politics?

I am using white guilt as a general term for whatever people want to call this political thought that white people are natural oppressors, and all of the resulting bad ideas that have come as a part of that including choosing to segregate and declaring that speech is violence.

I don't have a clear idea on what you want to remedy past atrocities. Reparations? A change in the laws? I think that's opening quite a Pandora's Box.

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I don't have a clear idea on what you want to remedy past atrocities. Reparations? A change in the laws? I think that's opening quit a Pandora's Box.

I know, right? You start trying to solve for disparities between races and soon you might accidentally have equal rights! Who the fuck wants that?

Crazy talk.

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I don't have a clear idea on what you want to remedy past atrocities. Reparations? A change in the laws? I think that's opening quit a Pandora's Box.

I know, right? You start trying to solve for disparities between races and soon you might accidentally have equal rights! Who the fuck wants that?

Crazy talk.



What laws would you change?

And if we are going to pay reparations who gets them, and who pays them? And why would only Jim Crow era atrocities be paid out?

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Well, we could start off by rounding up Trump voters and put them into internment camps. Those that the masses of society approve to be allowed into the general populace must wear a red elephant lapel pin when they go in for job interviews and whenever they interact with everyday people.

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Well, we could start off by rounding up Trump voters and put them into internment camps. Those that the masses of society approve to be allowed into the general populace must wear a red elephant lapel pin when they go in for job interviews and whenever they interact with everyday people/


Would be a pretty big camp.

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Well, we could start off by rounding up Trump voters and put them into internment camps. Those that the masses of society approve to be allowed into the general populace must wear a red elephant lapel pin when they go in for job interviews and whenever they interact with everyday people/


Would be a pretty big camp.

Good thing we have all that land in Oregon, Washington Montana and Idaho that those folks cherish so much. Nice and roomy. Once we get that pipeline built, we can get some housing built all along the path of that. Then everyone that was in the way of that pipeline and campaigned against it can move into the newly vacated areas.

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Well, we could start off by rounding up Trump voters and put them into internment camps. Those that the masses of society approve to be allowed into the general populace must wear a red elephant lapel pin when they go in for job interviews and whenever they interact with everyday people.


Glad you have so much respect for your fellow man.

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Well, we could start off by rounding up Trump voters and put them into internment camps. Those that the masses of society approve to be allowed into the general populace must wear a red elephant lapel pin when they go in for job interviews and whenever they interact with everyday people/


Would be a pretty big camp.

Good thing we have all that land in Oregon, Washington Montana and Idaho that those folks cherish so much. Nice and roomy. Once we get that pipeline built, we can get some housing built all along the path of that. Then everyone that was in the way of that pipeline and campaigned against it can move into the newly vacated areas.


Pretty solid plan. We gonna feed these deplorables? Or they have to live off the land?

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Well, we could start off by rounding up Trump voters and put them into internment camps. Those that the masses of society approve to be allowed into the general populace must wear a red elephant lapel pin when they go in for job interviews and whenever they interact with everyday people.


God I hope you're just trolling.

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Well, we could start off by rounding up Trump voters and put them into internment camps. Those that the masses of society approve to be allowed into the general populace must wear a red elephant lapel pin when they go in for job interviews and whenever they interact with everyday people.


God I hope you're just trolling.


No. I hope this gains traction. It will likely end in complete racial harmony for all.

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Well, we could start off by rounding up Trump voters and put them into internment camps. Those that the masses of society approve to be allowed into the general populace must wear a red elephant lapel pin when they go in for job interviews and whenever they interact with everyday people/


Would be a pretty big camp.

Good thing we have all that land in Oregon, Washington Montana and Idaho that those folks cherish so much. Nice and roomy. Once we get that pipeline built, we can get some housing built all along the path of that. Then everyone that was in the way of that pipeline and campaigned against it can move into the newly vacated areas.


Pretty solid plan. We gonna feed these deplorables? Or they have to live off the land?

We're discriminating against them. They need to figure out how to be as successful as I am while also being saddled with disadvantages.

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Well, we could start off by rounding up Trump voters and put them into internment camps. Those that the masses of society approve to be allowed into the general populace must wear a red elephant lapel pin when they go in for job interviews and whenever they interact with everyday people/


Would be a pretty big camp.

Good thing we have all that land in Oregon, Washington Montana and Idaho that those folks cherish so much. Nice and roomy. Once we get that pipeline built, we can get some housing built all along the path of that. Then everyone that was in the way of that pipeline and campaigned against it can move into the newly vacated areas.


Pretty solid plan. We gonna feed these deplorables? Or they have to live off the land?


A better question is what would Hillary voters do when they had to kill their own food or fix their own cars?

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Well, we could start off by rounding up Trump voters and put them into internment camps. Those that the masses of society approve to be allowed into the general populace must wear a red elephant lapel pin when they go in for job interviews and whenever they interact with everyday people/


Would be a pretty big camp.

Good thing we have all that land in Oregon, Washington Montana and Idaho that those folks cherish so much. Nice and roomy. Once we get that pipeline built, we can get some housing built all along the path of that. Then everyone that was in the way of that pipeline and campaigned against it can move into the newly vacated areas.


Pretty solid plan. We gonna feed these deplorables? Or they have to live off the land?


A better question is what would Hillary voters do when they had to kill their own food or fix their own cars?


Well in this new utopia those service workers will be there making six figures silly.

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Cry about Uncle Bernie's free food and cars for everybody!

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Well in this new utopia those service workers will be there making six figures silly.

Well, in your world, when some brave soul unionizes all fry cooks, will you celebrate?

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This discussion was relative to America. When you couldn't refute it you globalized it to include Europeans and presumed that I didn't care about their struggles. That is the epitome of petty and it demonstrates that you have difficulty with conducting this sort of discussion.

I will expound on the point for you.

ON the reasons that slavery was able to continue was due to the "fact" that poor whites supported it almost as much as rich, aristocratic whites


The idea was white privilege, and I related my families person history as it was known to me. Plenty of poor whites took up arms and died to end slavery. So this pushing of guilt on an entire race is "problematic" to borrow a term from your camp, and you really are not understanding my point. You just want to engage in name calling because you are angry about the topic.

The concept of "white guilt" is your problem. Acknowledging that things haven't always been equal and even today some of those inequalities still remain is better than blind defiance, mentioning atrocities in other countries, or minimizing it because your ancestors had other challenges.

You seem to take it personally that inequality has existed and in some ways still does. You don't have to.


Discussing this is "taking it personally"? Why do you always have to take little shots like that?

We all know that only black suffering matters, but here is a point I was making earlier. I know of several local families from Romania and Poland.

Going back to their great grandparents-parents they lived through World War 1, the famine in the years after the war, the Great Depression, the rise of Fascism, the German invasion at the beginning of World War 2, five years of Nazi rule including genocide, the Red Army invasion at the end of the war, the mass rapes carried out by the Soviet army during their occupation, then decades of Soviet rule, which included poverty, famine and killing of land owners and political dissidents.

Telling these families to check their white privilege is absurd. Why does only Jim Crow era oppression "need to be acknowledged" or whatever you want done? Do we need to acknowledge that we bombed or fought wars against most Asian countries in the 20th Century because we did not like their politics?

I am using white guilt as a general term for whatever people want to call this political thought that white people are natural oppressors, and all of the resulting bad ideas that have come as a part of that including choosing to segregate and declaring that speech is violence.

I don't have a clear idea on what you want to remedy past atrocities. Reparations? A change in the laws? I think that's opening quite a Pandora's Box.

My family had plenty of bad things happen to them from the Russians too. It's irrelevant to what happened in this country.

Also you can start to respond to points here rather than things you read on Twitter. I don't think white people are naturally more oppressive. It just happened to be white people here.

As for what should be done it stars with acknowledging the unequal past. Let me know when you are ready to.

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Well in this new utopia those service workers will be there making six figures silly.

Well, in your world, when some brave soul unionizes all fry cooks, will you celebrate?


I don’t have to live in deplorable land fortunately.

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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 3:33 pm 
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Don’t most people know about the unequal past Rick?

I think the fix for racial issues is perplexing to some because it isn’t a simple problem. If your light bulb burns out fix it. Not this stuff no. Half the time the problem can’t even be correctly identified. It’s like social cancer.

For technical people and even money folks there is a way I look at the solving of race relations. You start with a problem and make exponential strides towards a total solution. The thing is the closer you get to the end the longer it seems to take and the smaller the steps appear.

I am not telling anyone else how to feel certainly but I have to try to be positive. This will never be solved 100% in my lifetime probably but I won’t shit on the progress that’s been made. Also people can talk about white guilt all they want. In everything I control every day I will do the right thing in this regard.

Not much I can do or say really. Might as well retire from racial posts.

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