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I see it referenced every single day but I never knew what exactly JLN said that was so racist that he's been permanently labeled a racist.
Can someone direct me to the exact quotes that made him a bigot or a racist?

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Trumpets circling the wagons. It's always so cute.

Can you show me why he's labeled a racist instead of mudslinging? You're just calling names and attacking me. Why? I'm curious why he's called a racist. I don't want to associate with racists.

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Trumpets circling the wagons. It's always so cute.

Can you show me why he's labeled a racist instead of mudslinging? You're just calling names and attacking me. Why? I'm curious why he's called a racist. I don't want to associate with racists.


I'll get right on that. Anything else?

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Nas wrote:
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Trumpets circling the wagons. It's always so cute.

Can you show me why he's labeled a racist instead of mudslinging? You're just calling names and attacking me. Why? I'm curious why he's called a racist. I don't want to associate with racists.


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Trumpets circling the wagons. It's always so cute.

Can you show me why he's labeled a racist instead of mudslinging? You're just calling names and attacking me. Why? I'm curious why he's called a racist. I don't want to associate with racists.


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We all get mocked and shitty things are said about nearly every person who posts here. Some of us deserve them and some of the things said about us are true. I've seen the 1 or 2 regular black posters called a racist without any proof or simply because they don't oppose abortion far more than anyone else here. JLN's primary reason for being here is to antagonize people who are liberal or aren't conservative enough. Bouquets aren't generally thrown at a person like that. I doubt he would want them anyway.

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It really started with the monkey gif. I suspect it was an innocent post, but it was insensitive. Of course anytime you consistently defend police and blame black victims, you’re going to be open to racial criticism. In reading through JLN’s posts on such matters, I think he is more even handed than some police defenders but still has a natural tilt towards defending police.

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It really started with the monkey gif. I suspect it was an innocent post, but it was insensitive. Of course anytime you consistently defend police and blame black victims, you’re going to be open to racial criticism. In reading through JLN’s posts on such matters, I think he is more even handed than some police defenders but still has a natural tilt towards defending police.

Does that mean he's a racist? Does it mean he should be called a racist every day?

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It really started with the monkey gif. I suspect it was an innocent post, but it was insensitive. Of course anytime you consistently defend police and blame black victims, you’re going to be open to racial criticism. In reading through JLN’s posts on such matters, I think he is more even handed than some police defenders but still has a natural tilt towards defending police.

Does that mean he's a racist? Does it mean he should be called a racist every day?


It is just a sign of the times where people throw out the term anytime that they don't like someone's opinion regarding black statements or actions. The media does this shit all of the time. If you don't subscribe to what Black Lives Matter stand for, you get tagged as being a racist. When LTG trots out his crap about alleged harmful actions by whites against backs and someone disputes it, then that white person according to LTG is a racist. It is sad that he is so insecure about himself that he needs to lash out incessantly about alleged racism on the part of others.

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Darkside wrote:
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It really started with the monkey gif. I suspect it was an innocent post, but it was insensitive. Of course anytime you consistently defend police and blame black victims, you’re going to be open to racial criticism. In reading through JLN’s posts on such matters, I think he is more even handed than some police defenders but still has a natural tilt towards defending police.

Does that mean he's a racist? Does it mean he should be called a racist every day?


A few things.

I don’t throw around the word racist very often, and if I do, it is usually about an action or comment and not directed at an individual. I think prejudiced more appropriately describes some white people. There are very few that actually believe whites are superior to other races.

As for JLN, I met him once, and we got along fine. I think he is a decent person. But he does a lot of needless arguing around this place, which is well within his rights. So the criticism he gets is somewhat self inflicted. No part of me believes he is a racist.

I sit back and read all the back and forth and try to stay neutral. But if I was a person of color posting on here, I would feel under constant assault by certain folks. As if people on here need to call out every ill that plagues minority communities. It is the same disdain I have for people that say silent whites are complicit. As if I (or you) are some single entity with the rest of white America.

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I see it referenced every single day but I never knew what exactly JLN said that was so racist that he's been permanently labeled a racist.
Can someone direct me to the exact quotes that made him a bigot or a racist?


This is a racist statement.

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MOST posters here are reticent to go after black posters because they don't wasnt to be labeled a racist.

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You're not wrong denis. But that is one of the very things that has changed about this place, and not for the better in my opinion. I'm not saying that discussions about police or race or inequality should NOT take place, but this used to be a place where people could go to avoid such conversation. Sure those issues would come up every so often, but they were relatively few and far between. Over the last four five maybe six years it seems that people are coming here only to discuss those things. Sports with many regular posters are just an afterthought or a sidebar.

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and what's this about him taking and/or giving it in the moon

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denisdman wrote:
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It really started with the monkey gif. I suspect it was an innocent post, but it was insensitive. Of course anytime you consistently defend police and blame black victims, you’re going to be open to racial criticism. In reading through JLN’s posts on such matters, I think he is more even handed than some police defenders but still has a natural tilt towards defending police.

Does that mean he's a racist? Does it mean he should be called a racist every day?


A few things.

I don’t throw around the word racist very often, and if I do, it is usually about an action or comment and not directed at an individual. I think prejudiced more appropriately describes some white people. There are very few that actually believe whites are superior to other races.

As for JLN, I met him once, and we got along fine. I think he is a decent person. But he does a lot of needless arguing around this place, which is well within his rights. So the criticism he gets is somewhat self inflicted. No part of me believes he is a racist.

I sit back and read all the back and forth and try to stay neutral. But if I was a person of color posting on here, I would feel under constant assault by certain folks. As if people on here need to call out every ill that plagues minority communities. It is the same disdain I have for people that say silent whites are complicit. As if I (or you) are some single entity with the rest of white America.


There is no doubt that he is a bigot and his actions speak a lot louder than his words. He has always tried to be careful with his words because he is scared as hell of being doxxed.

If you look at the entirety of his history here you will see that he has a particular hard on for black posters. When Nas was Administrator he repeatedly went after him for decisions that he wasn't responsible for.

I go after him so whatever comes with that is fair game but Nas avoided him and he still attacked him. That isn't a guy that "respectfully disagreed" with him.

He also has always tried to stay extremely close to other bigots on here.That is no accident. He needs them to provide cover for him.

When actual Anti Semitism was expressed on here he never voiced his displeasure. He lyingly claimed to support the Admins decision but he spent the entirety of the time bitching about the decision. He also tried to get me banned for saying "similar things" when it was fairly obvious that I did not.

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You're not wrong denis. But that is one of the very things that has changed about this place, and not for the better in my opinion. I'm not saying that discussions about police or race or inequality should NOT take place, but this used to be a place where people could go to avoid such conversation. Sure those issues would come up every so often, but they were relatively few and far between. Over the last four five maybe six years it seems that people are coming here only to discuss those things. Sports with many regular posters are just an afterthought or a sidebar.

Your posts have been 95% crying about COVID since early March. Who you crappin?

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If you look at the entirety of his history here you will see that he has a particular hard on for black posters. When Nas was Administrator he repeatedly went after him for decisions that he wasn't responsible for.


This is a cute lie you like to tell because it technically can't be disproven, which is to say that you'll never admit that it has been disproven. And when you get called on it, you'll just restate the lie in a slightly different way, and still offer absolutely no proof. There IS proof, however, that I've gone multiple rounds multiple times with BMac, Caller Bob, FavreFan, BRick (all the time!), Kirkwood, GoldenJet and so on.

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I go after him so whatever comes with that is fair game but Nas avoided him and he still attacked him. That isn't a guy that "respectfully disagreed" with him.
This is another lie. It is well documented that I went just as hard against all three wisemen at various times. You have absolutely no proof that I went after Nas because of the color of his skin. Want to know why? Because there is no such proof, because I didn't do it.


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long time guy wrote:

If you look at the entirety of his history here you will see that he has a particular hard on for black posters. When Nas was Administrator he repeatedly went after him for decisions that he wasn't responsible for.


This is a cute lie you like to tell because it technically can't be disproven, which is to say that you'll never admit that it has been disproven. And when you get called on it, you'll just restate the lie in a slightly different way, and still offer absolutely no proof. There IS proof, however, that I've gone multiple rounds multiple times with BMac, Caller Bob, FavreFan, BRick (all the time!), Kirkwood, GoldenJet and so on.

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I go after him so whatever comes with that is fair game but Nas avoided him and he still attacked him. That isn't a guy that "respectfully disagreed" with him.
This is another lie. It is well documented that I went just as hard against all three wisemen at various times. You have absolutely no proof that I went after Nas because of the color of his skin. Want to know why? Because there is no such proof, because I didn't do it.


Who knew that arguing with white posters eliminates any possibility that a person might be racist?

You never referred to the actual Anti Semitism of white posters as being Anti Semitic. You have gone after me in a:way (For not saying Anti Semitic things) in ways that you never went after them. You bitched and moaned when noted bigots were banished and then you lyingly claimed that the actual mods didn't really "mean what they said" even after I twice cited it. You defended bigotry on here and claimed that it might be necessary to "take a closer look at" me just so that the score could be even. You do not think that this particular decision was based on your racism?


You also claimed that the reluctance of people to go after black posters was a "big fucking problem" which is textbook racism.

You also lyingly claim that "everyone is racist" just because they happen to disagree with a black person. There are plenty of people who disagree with me that I have never referred to as that.

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You also claimed that the reluctance of people to go after black posters was a "big fucking problem" which is textbook racism.

Again, I said it was a big problem that critique of posters were being quelled because any critique of those posters was labeled as racism.


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You also claimed that the reluctance of people to go after black posters was a "big fucking problem" which is textbook racism.

Again, I said it was a big problem that critique of posters were being quelled because any critique of those posters was labeled as racism.


Here is the lying piece of shit doing exactly the same thing that he considers to be a "big fucking problem".
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For calling everyone in the vaunted NBA section that disagreed with him on anything an idiot or stupid and then thinking he could slide this little tidbit by us:
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BTW, this is my first time ever seeing Kawhi play. Didn't start following NBA again till last till Lonzo arrived and Kawhi was out all year pretending to be hurt.


This dude has been promoting himself as some sort of authority on the league for the better part of a year and it turns out that he only really started watching once Lonzo Ball's bum ass entered it.

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There is no doubt that he is a bigot and his actions speak a lot louder than his words. He has always tried to be careful with his words because he is scared as hell of being doxxed.


He is not scared of being doxxed. He had a podcast (good one) with his name on it that he posted about on this board.

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There is no doubt that he is a bigot and his actions speak a lot louder than his words. He has always tried to be careful with his words because he is scared as hell of being doxxed.


He is not scared of being doxxed. He had a podcast (good one) with his name on it that he posted about on this board.


No he left the board and claimed that he was afraid that remaining here would impact future employment.

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denisdman wrote:
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There is no doubt that he is a bigot and his actions speak a lot louder than his words. He has always tried to be careful with his words because he is scared as hell of being doxxed.


He is not scared of being doxxed. He had a podcast (good one) with his name on it that he posted about on this board.


Hey Denis What person besides a bigot would ever find the last name Horowitz to be "demeaning"?

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I said he was a bigot, I said he posted "bigoted shit", and I said his banning was warranted. You're being completely unreasonable, and I'm done engaging with you on this topic because you seem hell-bent on constantly moving the goalposts, because now, what is it, I have to find me calling out a specific brand of bigotry from a specific set of posters? Nah, I'm good. Fuck you.


Claims to have supported the banning of America and Toxic
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What you've quoted here does not imply in any way that I thought America shouldn't have been banned. In fact the only words I've spoken about whether he should've been banned were unequivocally in support of the banning.
You can continue to lie about it if you want to, but that's the truth, and you know it.

and yet:

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Again, there's a blatant disparity in how you allowed the alleged MANY who clamored for the ousting of Toxic and America to police the board, and how you told me to police the board. With me, your "support" (for lack of a better phrase) stopped short of using your powers to punish those who had doxxed Chas, you and Nas said as much specifically. But now, those alleged MANY can not only shame and ridicule the likes of Toxic and America for their actions on the board, but also co-opt your admin powers to get them punished.

If admin powers are up for auction, I'll throw in a bid. A nice, non-Kirkland brand scotch, perhaps?


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Oh FFS, just screw each other already.

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Oh FFS, just screw each other already.


Another pass on his lying bullshit. No shock there by the way.

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Oh FFS, just screw each other already.


Another pass on his lying bullshit. No shock there by the way.


I'm criticizing both of you.

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Another pass on his lying bullshit. No shock there by the way.


I'm criticizing both of you.


Which only makes it worse. Calling him a lying sack of shit who obviously supported bigotry on here would probably be more apropos given the post that he made.
Double techs are copouts.

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