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 Post subject: Re: Gabe Gone???????????
PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:11 pm 
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I too enjoy Dewskie.

He just got a little heated and is most likely drunk.

That's the only reason anyone would blow up at a fine upstanding person like Peroia Matthew.

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Fuck everything !!!! Chicago teams have a bad few years and you assholes want any excuse to burn it down. Go root for the saskatchewan roughriders.


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THE DOUBT, DEWSKIE

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 Post subject: Re: Gabe Gone???????????
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No matter who the Bears dealt Gabe to they weren't getting shit in return. The Bears were bent over a barrel and got the bare minimum in return for a guy that was probably going to get cut anyway.

That being said I don't see what the harm would've been in keeping him around for a year, even as a body.


I think that you got anything for him was a bit of a coup -- there must have been some concern that there would be a market for him, as hard as that is to believe. A 6th round pick isn't much, but it is better than nothing which is what you would have received.

I think the harm in keeping him is that you know he isn't any good, and he's using a roster spot that you could have evaluated some other player in. Maybe this guarantees a little extra breathing room for Jordan Mills.

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I am a little drunk yes.

We...we know.

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RFDC borrowed Dewskie's login.

No I wouldn't tell anyone to root for the Rams no matter how drunk I was

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bigfan wrote:
Once again, same scouts are still here that drafted Kyle Long!


Posting this for you again, since you seem to ignore it:


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the current Director of College Scouting Marty Barrett (16 years with the Bears) is in his first year in the role. Previously, he was an area scout for the West. I doubt he had much influence on drafting Carimi, as Wisconsin wouldn't be in his territory. The Midwest area scout that likely was responsible for the initial grades on Carimi, is Jeff Shiver (been with the Bears for 26 years). He is now the Asst Director of College, but his focus is pretty much the Big Ten. I doubt he had Oregon.



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Bucky Chris wrote:
bigfan wrote:
Once again, same scouts are still here that drafted Kyle Long!


Posting this for you again, since you seem to ignore it:


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the current Director of College Scouting Marty Barrett (16 years with the Bears) is in his first year in the role. Previously, he was an area scout for the West. I doubt he had much influence on drafting Carimi, as Wisconsin wouldn't be in his territory. The Midwest area scout that likely was responsible for the initial grades on Carimi, is Jeff Shiver (been with the Bears for 26 years). He is now the Asst Director of College, but his focus is pretty much the Big Ten. I doubt he had Oregon.


Sooooo...like Biggie said. They are still here.


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Kirkwood wrote:
Bucky Chris wrote:
bigfan wrote:
Once again, same scouts are still here that drafted Kyle Long!


Posting this for you again, since you seem to ignore it:


bucky chris wrote:

the current Director of College Scouting Marty Barrett (16 years with the Bears) is in his first year in the role. Previously, he was an area scout for the West. I doubt he had much influence on drafting Carimi, as Wisconsin wouldn't be in his territory. The Midwest area scout that likely was responsible for the initial grades on Carimi, is Jeff Shiver (been with the Bears for 26 years). He is now the Asst Director of College, but his focus is pretty much the Big Ten. I doubt he had Oregon.


Sooooo...like Biggie said. They are still here.



Yea, they are here. If his point is simply that the scouts were employed, he is correct. I'm acting under the assumption he is implying they had their hands in both picks.


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Bucky Chris wrote:
Yea, they are here. If his point is simply that the scouts were employed, he is correct. I'm acting under the assumption he is implying they had their hands in both picks.

It's hard to decipher what Biggie is getting at sometimes. I think he's questioning why they are still employed given the Bears drafts the past 5-7 years. Could be totally wrong though.


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I would say 1 Super Bowl title in the last 28 years would be reason enough "to burn the fucking thing down". But I guess I should give the Bears what, a 30 year margin for error? Or 40? I'll gladly wear the "asshole" tag on this one. Sorry if I expect too much.


Just give the Bears the same leeway you give the Cubs! :lol:

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Kirkwood wrote:
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Yea, they are here. If his point is simply that the scouts were employed, he is correct. I'm acting under the assumption he is implying they had their hands in both picks.

It's hard to decipher what Biggie is getting at sometimes. I think he's questioning why they are still employed given the Bears drafts the past 5-7 years. Could be totally wrong though.


It's fair to question their specific recruiting history. But you'd have to take the west coast area scout and see what players turned out that he scouted, and do the same with the Big Ten guy.

Shiver most certainly scouted Carimi, but now focuses on the Big Ten (didn't scout Long). Barrett, who is now in charge of college scouting (likely strongly involved on drafting Long), was an area scout for the West when Carimi was scouted.

I'm not defending either of their scouting ability, I haven't taken up the time to see what players came out of their territories. I'm just pointing out the obvious flaws in trying to tie them to both the Carimi and Long picks. Just being in the building doesn't mean anything.


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Anyone involved with drafting Carimi should not be in the building.

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That the Bears apparently had no use for Carimi is unfortunately not surprising given Angelo's draft history, but I'm kind of annoyed, assuming they wanted to get rid of him a long time ago, that they didn't try and get more for him. It would seem that dealing a guy after some no-shows at OTAs is a deal done at precisely the wrong time. Again I don't know when they decided to get rid of him, but why not wait a little, float some rhetoric around indicating how the Bears see "big things" for him next year at whatever OL position, support the theory that his mediocre play last year was due to lingering injuries, remind everyone that he's still a young prospect with potential, and then see what you can get for him? I know trade partners won't base their evaluations of Carimi on just what the Bears say about him, but it can't hurt to try to inflate his value.

I know he was never going to yield in a trade anything close to the value of a first round pick, but since you used a first rounder on him, you've got to recoup as much of that value as you can when you deal him as a matter of principle. Dealing him for a sixth rounder seems to indicate that the Bears just wanted him gone, regardless of what they'd get back.

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The mentality of football...beat your wife, DUIs, subtance abuse..that's OK, but miss voluntary OTAs? That's going over the line...

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Still better than your last trade with Tampa


Adams was a couple of trades ago. They got that DT who was pretty decent last year.

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Dewskie wrote:
Fuck that. Just another of the many on this board that look for any reason, no matter how mundane, to shit on everything. Angelo was crappy at drafting, this isn't news. Emery's not winning people over but he could still prove out. Unfortunately most of you assholes are trigger happy to just burn the whole fucking thing down when it comes to the Bears.

Just fuck everything. Go root for the Rams or something.


Let them play a few downs before judging them.

Reach on McClellin. 2.5 sacks for a person whose only skill is pass rushing.
Reach on Hardin. Was hurt when drafted and still hurt today. Still hasn't found an NFL field. Still hasn't played one down of safety in his life
Reach on Rodriguez. Red flags for bad behaviour throughout college. He's now two DUIs into his pro career.

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THE DOUBT, DEWSKIE

THE DOUBT MUST BE DEALT WITH!!!!!


Hey, I watched that episode last night too.

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The first thing Emery should have done is fire every scout and replace them all, I don't need to see who drafted what. Region..they grade out poor across the board, every one of them.

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If I'm not mistaken, there isn't 1 #1 draft pick from Jerry Angelo on the current Bears roster. That's hard to believe & hard to do.

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Guys, I believe Matt Forte was a second rounder. If my memory serves, he was drafted 44th overall.


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Forte was second round, but still the Bears first pick overall of that draft. Their first rounder was gone due to the Cutler trade.

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Forte was second round, but still the Bears first pick overall of that draft. Their first rounder was gone due to the Cutler trade.


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Forte was second round, but still the Bears first pick overall of that draft. Their first rounder was gone due to the Cutler trade.


They took Chris Williams in the 1st round that year. They got Cutler the year after that.

2008 was that magical Forte/Ortman year where they blew a playoff shot by losing the last game to a Houston team that was playing for nothing.

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