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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:41 am 
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Late 1st/early 2nd for Stafford.

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I don't even think Detroit can get a first for him.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:44 am 
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I can see the Colts giving a 1st for him.


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Picking 1st is a no brainer, even these chumps couldn't fuck that up. They are picking 23rd I believe.

They fucked up the second pick, no reason they couldn't fuck up the first too.


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invest in the OL this year and Foles will be no worse than any of the other bad possible moves they could make at the position

Let's see what the combine reveals. It wouldn't be shocking if a guy like Newman shot up draft boards




I know Pace and Nagy won’t think this way (yet another reason ties should have been cut) next season is most likely a wash ..but the future is QB, that’s what they need to draft now. This shouldn’t be about trying to make the most out of Foles. No 1st round linemen is going to change the outcome of this team enough to pass on the QB talent of this years draft in the 1st round.


You and some others here continue to see this wrong.


I don't hold the QB talent in this draft in as high esteem as others. I don't think Trask or Jones are first round talents. I think Wilson is a mid to back of the first round talent. I know nothing about Lance and anyone but scouts who say they do are lying.

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If the Bears had to pay 2 or 3 times more than other clubs to get Stafford would you do it? Something stupid like a #1 and #2 this year and a #1 next year. I've heard people expect the Lions to get one first round pick for him.

:lol: :lol: two 1sts and a 2nd for Stafford? That would be fucking hilarious

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I can see the Colts giving a 1st for him.


Colts-S.F. could win a SB with him.. It would be worth it.

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I don't even think Detroit can get a first for him.

Seems borderline. If I was Denver, SF, or Indy I would do it I think.

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invest in the OL this year and Foles will be no worse than any of the other bad possible moves they could make at the position

Let's see what the combine reveals. It wouldn't be shocking if a guy like Newman shot up draft boards


I know Pace and Nagy won’t think this way (yet another reason ties should have been cut) next season is most likely a wash ..but the future is QB, that’s what they need to draft now. This shouldn’t be about trying to make the most out of Foles. No 1st round linemen is going to change the outcome of this team enough to pass on the QB talent of this years draft in the 1st round.

You and some others here continue to see this wrong.

Not to speak for anybody else, but I don’t want them drafting a developmental QB because I have zero faith in Pace’s ability to evaluate the position. A bad 1st round draft pick at QB can set them back a few years; a bad veteran maybe helps out next draft.



I’m not crazy about the circumstances involving who’s in charge either -but if they pick the right guy this is less of a problem. My point is, you don’t pass on a talented class for the reasons you mentioned.


You can get quality linemen in the 2nd and so on. Someone pointed out the other day KC’s entire unit is undrafted and mid-late round guys.


and KC can't run the football when they need to

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If the Bears had to pay 2 or 3 times more than other clubs to get Stafford would you do it? Something stupid like a #1 and #2 this year and a #1 next year. I've heard people expect the Lions to get one first round pick for him.

:lol: :lol: two 1sts and a 2nd for Stafford? That would be fucking hilarious


True, but Detroit would never trade him in division unless they got a insane offer. The Bears options are limited and Pace/Nagy are desperate. Who knows!


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I don't even think Detroit can get a first for him.

Seems borderline. If I was Denver, SF, or Indy I would do it I think.


Denver is still getting clobbered by S.D. and K.C. with Stafford. They gotta draft a guy and draft some skill position players not trade picks for an ageing QB.

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I wouldn't be angry if they took a WR. This draft is packed to the gills with talent at WR. I see 20 WR I like.

It's supposed to be deep with OL as well.

I like picking to the strength of the draft.

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I don't even think Detroit can get a first for him.

Seems borderline. If I was Denver, SF, or Indy I would do it I think.


Denver is still getting clobbered by S.D. and K.C. with Stafford. They gotta draft a guy and draft some skill position players not trade picks for an ageing QB.

Strongly disagree. KC would still be better because they are better than everyone. But Denver is a QB away from going 11-5. Sutton, Jeudy, Fant, Hamler, a decent OL, and a Fangio defense is a contending team with a decent QB.

Denver does not need to draft more skill position players :lol:

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Fant is decent, RBs blow. They should draft Pitts if hes there and a WR in the second.

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Fant is decent, RBs blow. They should draft Pitts if hes there and a WR in the second.

RBs are a dime a dozen. It was dumb of them to pay Gordon. Lindsay is a better back and a fine starting RB.

It would be incredibly wasteful for them to draft Pitts. Fant is going to be great for the next several years and Albert O showed some flash this year as well before getting hurt.

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Fant is decent, RBs blow. They should draft Pitts if hes there and a WR in the second.

RBs are a dime a dozen. It was dumb of them to pay Gordon. Lindsay is a better back and a fine starting RB.

It would be incredibly wasteful for them to draft Pitts. Fant is going to be great for the next several years and Albert O showed some flash this year as well before getting hurt.



Lyndsey ain't shit either, Whoever getts Pitts is going to have the next Kelsey.

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Fant is decent, RBs blow. They should draft Pitts if hes there and a WR in the second.


The defense is in trouble. Miller is gone and they're probably going to let Simmons walk. They need at least one corner probably 2. They'll go Farley at #9 and probably an edge or safety in the 2nd. If I had to bet money on one pick 2-10 it would be Farley to the Broncos at #9.

It will be interesting to see if Eagles pull the trigger on Pitts at #7.


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Fant is decent, RBs blow. They should draft Pitts if hes there and a WR in the second.

RBs are a dime a dozen. It was dumb of them to pay Gordon. Lindsay is a better back and a fine starting RB.

It would be incredibly wasteful for them to draft Pitts. Fant is going to be great for the next several years and Albert O showed some flash this year as well before getting hurt.



Lyndsey ain't shit either, Whoever getts Pitts is going to have the next Kelsey.

Kelsey? :lol:

Lindsay is a good back. Him and a between the tackles cheap guy would be a fine RB duo. RB isn't that important for running a good offense. And regardless of how good Pitts is a prospect, it makes no fucking sense for Denver to take him in the first. They are very set at TE. They need another OT and a QB, and then defensive pieces. Their offense is basically set if they can figure out the QB.

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and KC can't run the football when they need to




But they can pass when they need to because they found the right guy, the 3rd QB taken in the 1st round of that draft.


You know when the right time to ‘mortgage the future of your franchise on a QB’ is?


Every year until you get it right.


This is a passing league, QB’s dominate this league more than ever. The rules are in place now to make the transition from college QB to pro QB successfully better than ever.


I know, let’s keep mortgaging the future on castaway veteran QB’s and a declining defense because ‘the window for this defense might still be open’ -because this works out so well for the team and always positions them well in the upcoming drafts.


How’s that gone the last 2 decades?


They need to change it up. Now is the time to do it.

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Fant is decent, RBs blow. They should draft Pitts if hes there and a WR in the second.

RBs are a dime a dozen. It was dumb of them to pay Gordon. Lindsay is a better back and a fine starting RB.

It would be incredibly wasteful for them to draft Pitts. Fant is going to be great for the next several years and Albert O showed some flash this year as well before getting hurt.



Lyndsey ain't shit either, Whoever getts Pitts is going to have the next Kelsey.

Kelsey? :lol:

Lindsay is a good back. Him and a between the tackles cheap guy would be a fine RB duo. RB isn't that important for running a good offense. And regardless of how good Pitts is a prospect, it makes no fucking sense for Denver to take him in the first. They are very set at TE. They need another OT and a QB, and then defensive pieces. Their offense is basically set if they can figure out the QB.



Obviously you think Fant is way better than I do. Hell be an average TE..nothing more. Lyndsey can't block for shit, that's why Gordon gets more PT.

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Picking 1st is a no brainer, even these chumps couldn't fuck that up. They are picking 23rd I believe.




The point I’m making there was: you don’t pass on making a certain type of pick for this reason, especially if it’s the right player.


What if Zach Wilson is this drafts Patrick Mahomes and he slides to the Bears and they say ‘nah, we might fuck this up so let’s be safe and grab the 3rd best tackle instead’.


‘Let’s keep doing what we always do instead of acknowledging and recognizing our past mistakes.’ That’s not how you move forward and improve.

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Fant is decent, RBs blow. They should draft Pitts if hes there and a WR in the second.

RBs are a dime a dozen. It was dumb of them to pay Gordon. Lindsay is a better back and a fine starting RB.

It would be incredibly wasteful for them to draft Pitts. Fant is going to be great for the next several years and Albert O showed some flash this year as well before getting hurt.



Lyndsey ain't shit either, Whoever getts Pitts is going to have the next Kelsey.

Kelsey? :lol:

Lindsay is a good back. Him and a between the tackles cheap guy would be a fine RB duo. RB isn't that important for running a good offense. And regardless of how good Pitts is a prospect, it makes no fucking sense for Denver to take him in the first. They are very set at TE. They need another OT and a QB, and then defensive pieces. Their offense is basically set if they can figure out the QB.



Obviously you think Fant is way better than I do. Hell be an average TE..nothing more. Lyndsey can't block for shit, that's why Gordon gets more PT.

Average TE? That makes me think you don't have a good understanding of how many bad TEs are starting for teams right now. Fant is 23 years old and has only played two seasons and this past season he was already an above average TE, and TE's generally take a couple years to develop.

Care to wager on which player has more receptions, yardage, and TDs in 2021 between Pitts and Fant?

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Lets see where Pitts gets drafted. I will do that bet with Kittle, Kelsey, Waller, Henry, Thomas, Hockenson, Andrews or Gosicki.

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Lets see where Pitts gets drafted. I will do that bet with Kittle, Kelsey, Waller, Henry, Thomas, Hockenson, Andrews or Gosicki.

I'll take the bet with Gesicki right now. Let's say this:

Fant vs Gesicki

Minimum 12 games played in 2021.

Receptions, Receiving yardage, Receiving TDs

Whichever player wins at least 2/3 of those categories wins the bet. You got Gesicki, I got Fant. $100?

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Fant is decent, RBs blow. They should draft Pitts if hes there and a WR in the second.

RBs are a dime a dozen. It was dumb of them to pay Gordon. Lindsay is a better back and a fine starting RB.

It would be incredibly wasteful for them to draft Pitts. Fant is going to be great for the next several years and Albert O showed some flash this year as well before getting hurt.



Lyndsey ain't shit either, Whoever getts Pitts is going to have the next Kelsey.

Come on now 312, Pitts and Kelsey aren't close to the same player.

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