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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:15 pm 
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The torch is being passed as we speak.

Through 7 games

Rodgers:
2283 passing yards
13 passing touchdowns
61.3 completion percentage
53.8 QBR
YPA 8.0
3 Wins

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky:
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15 passing touchdowns 2 rushing touchdowns
64.3 completion percentage
71.6 QBR
YPA 7.6
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How about some more stats. TD/INT ratio, QB rating, Y/A, total turnovers, head to head W/L record, etc

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:24 pm 
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I posted the important stats. As a sabermetrics guy that QBR should be alarming to you.

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I'm not a sabrmetrics guy. The advanced stats I believe still favor Rodgers by a significant degree. Not at a computer right now.

I don't think QBR is worthless but Trent Dilfer helped develop it. Not exactly an analytic mind.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:29 pm 
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I'm not a sabrmetrics guy. The advanced stats I believe still favor Rodgers by a significant degree. Not at a computer right now.

I don't think QBR is worthless but Trent Dilfer helped develop it. Not exactly an analytic mind.


Most smart NFL guys prefer QBR over the antique QB rating. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is top 10 in that too.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:32 pm 
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Nas wrote:
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I'm not a sabrmetrics guy. The advanced stats I believe still favor Rodgers by a significant degree. Not at a computer right now.

I don't think QBR is worthless but Trent Dilfer helped develop it. Not exactly an analytic mind.


Most smart NFL guys prefer QBR over the antique QB rating. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is top 10 in that too.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

Most smart analysts will tell you a combination of stats are needed but the most important one in determining future success is y/a.

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FavreFan wrote:
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I'm not a sabrmetrics guy. The advanced stats I believe still favor Rodgers by a significant degree. Not at a computer right now.

I don't think QBR is worthless but Trent Dilfer helped develop it. Not exactly an analytic mind.


Most smart NFL guys prefer QBR over the antique QB rating. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is top 10 in that too.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

Most smart analysts will tell you a combination of stats are needed but the most important one in determining future success is y/a.


8 vs 7.6

The combination of stats says Mitch has been more productive. The torch in the North is being passed.

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what would rodgers stats be running nagy's offense? he's putting up decent numbers in an offense with no running game and a team that uses no pre-snap trickeration


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what would rodgers stats be running nagy's offense? he's putting up decent numbers in an offense with no running game and a team that uses no pre-snap trickeration


Rodgers is a top 10 QB of all time so I'm not going to make excuses for him. The Bears don't have a running game either.

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Nas wrote:
The torch is being passed as we speak.

Through 7 games

Rodgers:
2283 passing yards
13 passing touchdowns
61.3 completion percentage
53.8 QBR
YPA 8.0
3 Wins

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky:
1814 passing yards
15 passing touchdowns 2 rushing touchdowns
64.3 completion percentage
71.6 QBR
YPA 7.6
4 Wins


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what would rodgers stats be running nagy's offense? he's putting up decent numbers in an offense with no running game and a team that uses no pre-snap trickeration

It's a great point

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Nas wrote:
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what would rodgers stats be running nagy's offense? he's putting up decent numbers in an offense with no running game and a team that uses no pre-snap trickeration


Rodgers is a top 2 QB of all time

Fixed that for you

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Nas makes a compelling case. The Pack would probably be undefeated thus far with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky at QB.

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How about some more stats.
The most important stat;

Bears 4-3
Vikings 4-3-1
Packers 3-3-1
Lions 3-4

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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How about some more stats.
The most important stat;

Bears 4-3
Vikings 4-3-1
Packers 3-3-1
Lions 3-4

Agreed. Careful though, last time you guys got all puffy chested about that you went to last place less than a week later.

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And I said that would be corrected IN DUE TIME

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FavreFan wrote:
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How about some more stats.
The most important stat;

Bears 4-3
Vikings 4-3-1
Packers 3-3-1
Lions 3-4

Agreed. Careful though, last time you guys got all puffy chested about that you went to last place less than a week later.

The Bears have had a very cupcake schedule. 4-3 is an underachievement


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Kirkwood wrote:
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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How about some more stats.
The most important stat;

Bears 4-3
Vikings 4-3-1
Packers 3-3-1
Lions 3-4

Agreed. Careful though, last time you guys got all puffy chested about that you went to last place less than a week later.

The Bears have had a very cupcake schedule. 4-3 is an underachievement

With the Bortles of the North, I'd say 4-3 sounds just about right.

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The Bears have won like 9 games over the last three seasons. 4-3 thru seven games with a 24 year old QB and a new coaching staff is a big improvement.

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FavreFan wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
How about some more stats.
The most important stat;

Bears 4-3
Vikings 4-3-1
Packers 3-3-1
Lions 3-4

Agreed. Careful though, last time you guys got all puffy chested about that you went to last place less than a week later.

The Bears have had a very cupcake schedule. 4-3 is an underachievement

With the Bortles of the North, I'd say 4-3 sounds just about right.

Ya, good point.


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what would rodgers stats be running nagy's offense? he's putting up decent numbers in an offense with no running game and a team that uses no pre-snap trickeration


Rodgers is a top 2 QB of all time

Fixed that for you


There is no statistical analysis that would put him in the top 2 and he loses in the playoffs. He has like 30k yards passing for his career. He still has to pass Favre to crack the top 5. Production trumps talent.

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Nas wrote:
Production trumps talent.

No it doesn't. Nobody thinks Frank Gore is better than Terrell Davis was.

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Production trumps talent.

No it doesn't. Nobody thinks Frank Gore is better than Terrell Davis was.
Caller Bob probably does.

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Production trumps talent.

No it doesn't. Nobody thinks Frank Gore is better than Terrell Davis was.


We don't pass out Terrell Davis or Gayle Sayers awards when ranking all time quarterbacks. Besides Rodgers hasn't had a career ending injury and he's playing in the most pass happy and quarterback friendly era ever. He's top 10 but nowhere near passing Favre.

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Nas wrote:
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Production trumps talent.

No it doesn't. Nobody thinks Frank Gore is better than Terrell Davis was.


We don't pass out Terrell Davis or Gayle Sayers awards when ranking all time quarterbacks. Besides Rodgers hasn't had a career ending injury and he's playing in the most pass happy and quarterback friendly era ever. He's top 10 but nowhere near passing Favre.

He passed Favre awhile ago. Favre's constant INTs and his team's piss poor record in his last several years with GB (before 2007) drags him down all time. Loved watching the guy play and he was my first sports hero or whatever, but he does not compare to Aaron Rodgers in terms of talent, production, and winning games.

The only knock you can find on Rodgers is postseason, and his postseason stats dwarf Favre's. You're never gonna see Rodgers throw 6 INTs in a playoff game.

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Mullens > (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky > Rodgers

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You're never gonna see Rodgers throw 6 INTs in a playoff game.
Not this year anyway 8)

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Production trumps talent.

No it doesn't. Nobody thinks Frank Gore is better than Terrell Davis was.


We don't pass out Terrell Davis or Gayle Sayers awards when ranking all time quarterbacks. Besides Rodgers hasn't had a career ending injury and he's playing in the most pass happy and quarterback friendly era ever. He's top 10 but nowhere near passing Favre.

He passed Favre awhile ago. Favre's constant INTs and his team's piss poor record in his last several years with GB (before 2007) drags him down all time. Loved watching the guy play and he was my first sports hero or whatever, but he does not compare to Aaron Rodgers in terms of talent, production, and winning games.

The only knock you can find on Rodgers is postseason, and his postseason stats dwarf Favre's. You're never gonna see Rodgers throw 6 INTs in a playoff game.


You're insane. Rodgers doesn't take risks because he cares too much about interceptions. Favre took risks because he knew that was the best chance his team had to win. He also played in an era when it was okay to maul a QB.

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Throwing interceptions is not the best way to win a game. You have some bad football takes my friend.

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Throwing interceptions is not the best way to win a game. You have some bad football takes my friend.


Taking risks in an era that was soft like this one isn't the same as what Rodgers does. He doesn't take any risks because he doesn't want to throw an interception. That's what losers do.

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