I find it disturbing a former cop would think it was wrong to not tell the proper authorities about injustice.

So his big mistake was that he reported the abuse? Let those who have never filed a police report throw the first stone at Martin.

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Martin should have shot Incognito

...in the offseason. They had a game to play!

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To say that anything Incognito and his other teammates did was a crime is a huge stretch. Martin knew (and has stated so) that he didn't fear for his life of the lives of his family and calling someone a racial insensitive name.....while not politically correct and acceptable, is not a crime. This is what weak people do though, they call the Police to handle their problems for them, even if what they can't handle is really not a crime.

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Martin told the proper authorities and action is being taken. You have a problem with that. I'm not saying what Incognito did was a crime but it was still wrong and Martin has the right to report it.

I doubt there is a criminal case but there certainly will be a civil case here.

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Is there something that Martin did wrong? Is there something that was wrong/illegal that he forced upon another co-worker at he workplace?

Everything you listed is a personal choice that somebody made in their private life. Has nothing to do with the Incognito case.


If I didn't already know the difference, I would think you were kidding about this.

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Steve, you are a former suburban cop that checked people's tires with a penny. Is it fair to say that you didn't have the "timber" to practice law enforcement in a place like Englewood?

For you to judge Martin goes way past any type of self awareness quotient.

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Not sure if it's true or not, but on PTI yesterday they made sure to say multiple times that Martin has never mentioned Incognito specifically.

His attorneys released the transcript and the Dolphins acted upon Incognito from there.

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You said point blank that the NFL is no different in the way you treat someone right? Except for the way the NFL itself treats their employees.

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Steve, you are a former suburban cop that checked people's tires with a penny. Is it fair to say that you didn't have the "timber" to practice law enforcement in a place like Englewood?

For you to judge Martin goes way past any type of self awareness quotient.[/quote]

No. It's fair to say that I worked in a more desirable environment. I don't like the city, why would I choose to live there? If you work in the city as a Police Officer, you need to reside within city limits. I go into the city to attend ballgames, concerts, theater productions and for dinners now and then. If I liked the city, I wouldn't be closing on the sale of my Aunt's 3 flat in Lakeview on Friday. I considered the idea of living on the first floor (the floor she resided in) for all of 5 seconds.

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(If I'm understanding the bolded part correctly) I actually said workplace harassment is no do different for the NFL than any other workplace. I believe federal and state laws say that I have that correct.


Since you brought it up (even though it has nothing to do with this case), there are a lot of other jobs where somebody do the offenses you listed and not lose their job.

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I don't think you would have lasted a shift in one of the old housing projects or in a place like Englewood.
You lack the same timber that you claim Martin does. You were a cop in a safer environment, good for you. He was a football player in a far more stressful environment.

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Please name a few jobs where someone could yell racial slurs and have it shown to their coworkers. Also please show me in what position you can work where you can kill someone that resulted in a DUI and still have your high paying job.

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Bullshit. A football player in a more stressful environment than a cop? You are an idiot. But nice try to derail the thread. The fact is, Martin was/is a weak minded individual. I doubt he could have gotten through the psychological tests given in the course of a Police candidates hiring process. They would have discovered that he was weak minded and not likely to handle the kinds of stress that a Police Officer needs to handle. Are there stressful situations more regularly in a place like Englewood? Sure. But they happen regularly enough in the burbs too. Knowing how I feel about certain segments of the population, why would I ever want to work in an environment where I would have to deal with them on a daily basis? That would make no sense.

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Are you saying that everyone who has used racial slurs, participated in dog fighting, and gotten a DUI is now unemployed?

Of course not.

Anyway, what did Martin do wrong?

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The best answer seems to be that he told someone about it. He's as big of an asshole as domestic violence victims.

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Anything in the music industry. Probably any position having to do with football in the south.

I've thought about it for a few minutes.

I cannot name one single person that lost their job after participating in dog fighting or using a racial slur. Not one.

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The difference is that NFL players NEVER want to be thought of as weak. To go crying to authorities like some office worker in a sexual harassment scenario, would be something that players would want to avoid. To have your teammates (and players from other teams as well) thinking that you couldn't handle things and went and cried about it to the press.....Martin has to be one of the only people ever to play in the NFL to think that's an acceptable way to handle the problem. I believe that the mindset of a NFL player concerning workplace behavior is vastly different. I think that crass behavior takes place in locker rooms all the time, with little thought given to it. Apples to Oranges.

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I actually agree with most of this. So imagine how bad it must have been for him to think that waking away from his multi-million dollar job was the best option for him.

He didn't cry to the press at all. In fact, he hasn't said a solitary word to the press, has he?

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All accounts show that Martin was fully aware of what he was doing when he was hazing others right? There's that.
Kept engaging the person that was responsible for his torment.
Never speaking up and saying something is the worst thing you can do.

I stand by my statement that Martin is a smart guy and wanted a way out of football. This is his ticket out with a huge payday.

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No he was too weak to even do that. He had someone do it for him. As far as the money goes, he comes from a very affluent family. His family has more ivy league diplomas than you can shake a stick at and I'll bet he doesn't wind up losing a dollar of this year's salary. After this year.....he may think he will catch on elsewhere. But I think he's in for a rude awakening when he finds out how widespread the ostracizing of Jonathon Martin will have become.

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Who would guess the Zimmerman apologists would go after another victim?

What "accounts" are there? I've seen no proof, neither have you.
You are blaming him for maintaining communication ("engaging") that he literally worked 6 inches from? O-kay........I believe the specifics of his job and the set up there literally forced him to do this.

Could it be that he was actually trying to be "tougher" for a while - you know, which is what Incognito wanted - and then got sick of trying to do that?


I saved the bolded part for last - you don't believe that, right? Look at what the actual facts are in this case, even ignore the speculation - is him not saying anything right away the worst thing that happened in this situation? Really?

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So, you are saying that no weak minded people end up being cops?

he's not getting any huge payday. He may well get what's left on his contract for this year. I think he gets every penny. But he may have a real hard time finding employment in the NFL with any team for big money after this. Because the Dolphins were not aware of all that was going on (prior to him walking away) they had no chance to curb the behavior. I don't see a big payoff coming.

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Incognito "supporters" basing a lot on "I bet such-and-such was also going on and we will find out the truth soon!"

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It is clear that Martin was in no position to stop his own hazing. How do you want him to stop the hazing that happened with others?
So now we are mad he tried to improve the relationship with his tormentor to try and solve the issue?
Speaking up? His coach was telling Incognito to do it! Who should he go to? Oh that is right, he went to someone who could help.

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I'm saying that departments that handle the hiring process correctly, utilize procedures that include Background checks, Polygraph examinations and psychological testing in addition to the written and physical testing, so as to eliminate candidates that might have trouble handling the stresses that are inherent to the job. Are there departments that do not utilize the best testing methods? Sure, so there are some officers hired that probably never should have been. Testing the proper way is more expensive. But I believe in the long run (expensive lawsuits come to mind) they are of great value and a wise investment.

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