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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:25 pm 
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Isn’t one of the players’ main issues that some owners intentionally field uncompetitive rosters? Why not provide incentives to make them field more competitive rosters?




- Salary floor along with a cap.

- Draft lottery.

. Stop the revenue sharing garbage.

Everything but the salary cap works for me. When you have teams worth 3-4-5 billion, it's hard to believe a cap is necessary. Especially when the teams often hold their cities and fans hostage.

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The NFL has the model. But the union would never accept voidable contracts, and MLB lacks the tv contracts to evenly spread league money to all the teams.

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 Post subject: Re: Future of MLB
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They already have a cap. It is just called luxury tax. Salaries have been decreasing.

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The long regular season is justification for a limited number of playoff teams. The best teams are determined over lots game. No reason teams sniffing .500 should be given a chance to win the World Series especially when teams can load up in July from tanking teams.

We can't agree more. I can't stand to see modest teams in any sport in any playoffs.

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 Post subject: Re: Future of MLB
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Pitchers and catchers were supposed to report today.

Thankfully we'll be getting college baseball soon.

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 Post subject: Re: Future of MLB
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Pitchers and catchers were supposed to report today.

Thankfully we'll be getting college baseball soon.

I saw where on ESPN's streaming of networks, they are going to have over 2200 baseball games available to watch this season. I will be watching Arkansas all weekend, they are playing Illinois State this weekend.

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 Post subject: Re: Future of MLB
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Pitchers and catchers were supposed to report today.

Thankfully we'll be getting college baseball soon.

Wow, I was just thinking, it's been 18 years since I've paid attention to college ball.


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 Post subject: Re: Future of MLB
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I think minor leagues have a season.

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 Post subject: Re: Future of MLB
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Pitchers and catchers were supposed to report today.

Thankfully we'll be getting college baseball soon.

I saw where on ESPN's streaming of networks, they are going to have over 2200 baseball games available to watch this season. I will be watching Arkansas all weekend, they are playing Illinois State this weekend.

I guess that I'm kicking in for ESPN+ soon.And good luck to your Hawgs. All the kids I still know are in the B1G, Big 12 and ACC.

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I only consume MLB. And fuck this labor strife. Find a way to split up your billions. Your game is dying assholes.

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I only consume MLB. And fuck this labor strife. Find a way to split up your billions. Your game is dying assholes.


It's always kind of assumed that labor strife will cause the game to suffer, but I'm not sure it will. The diehards will be back whenever the work stoppage ends, and the casual fan usually only gets excited if their team looks like they're playoff bound. Once we get to September and October, I think the fans (both diehard and casual) of good teams, are still going to be as excited as they would be any year.

I'm also not sure 1994 is a great comp. I feel like baseball was more central to our culture in 94 than it is now, and I don't see this work stoppage really changing the size of its niche.


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Yeah I think baseball is in a shitty place, but to use the board meme, baseball will be fine.


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 Post subject: Re: Future of MLB
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I only consume MLB. And fuck this labor strife. Find a way to split up your billions. Your game is dying assholes.

Seeing how much money is invested in the amateur game, you'd think that someone would take this approach. It's like with the jackasses in the NBA not caring that they're screwing it up for the next kids up.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Isn’t one of the players’ main issues that some owners intentionally field uncompetitive rosters? Why not provide incentives to make them field more competitive rosters?


More playoff teams will do the exact opposite. Why spend the money to win 95 games and make the playoffs when you can field a team of cheap shitbums and have a coin flip shot at making the playoffs.

To stop teams from fielding intentionally uncompetitive rosters you have to disincentive that behavior, which right now there are very few. Losing spots in the draft, losing international spending money, and most importantly losing revenue sharing. Implement some form of all three and you’ll see teams like the Orioles sign viable free agents right fucking quick.


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I think there is more disagreement amongst the owners than we realize.

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 Post subject: Re: Future of MLB
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I think there is more disagreement amongst the owners than we realize.

Especially with the big market owners vs the pipqsqueaks. I mean really cares if there are teams in Arizona Florida or Cincinnati? Or Kansas City? And that's from someone whose son took his Royals Bo Jackson jersey

Put an unfettered arbiter in charge of this crap and keep it moving.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Isn’t one of the players’ main issues that some owners intentionally field uncompetitive rosters? Why not provide incentives to make them field more competitive rosters?


More playoff teams will do the exact opposite. Why spend the money to win 95 games and make the playoffs when you can field a team of cheap shitbums and have a coin flip shot at making the playoffs.

To stop teams from fielding intentionally uncompetitive rosters you have to disincentive that behavior, which right now there are very few. Losing spots in the draft, losing international spending money, and most importantly losing revenue sharing. Implement some form of all three and you’ll see teams like the Orioles sign viable free agents right fucking quick.


I know it seems pretty obvious, but someone has to make the call as to what teams are intentionally losing and what teams are just bad. If that responsibility falls to the commissioner, no team will ever be penalized.


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 Post subject: Re: Future of MLB
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Isn’t one of the players’ main issues that some owners intentionally field uncompetitive rosters? Why not provide incentives to make them field more competitive rosters?


More playoff teams will do the exact opposite. Why spend the money to win 95 games and make the playoffs when you can field a team of cheap shitbums and have a coin flip shot at making the playoffs.

To stop teams from fielding intentionally uncompetitive rosters you have to disincentive that behavior, which right now there are very few. Losing spots in the draft, losing international spending money, and most importantly losing revenue sharing. Implement some form of all three and you’ll see teams like the Orioles sign viable free agents right fucking quick.


I know it seems pretty obvious, but someone has to make the call as to what teams are intentionally losing and what teams are just bad. If that responsibility falls to the commissioner, no team will ever be penalized.


If you lose 100 games or more you aren’t trying. It is as simple as that.


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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Isn’t one of the players’ main issues that some owners intentionally field uncompetitive rosters? Why not provide incentives to make them field more competitive rosters?


More playoff teams will do the exact opposite. Why spend the money to win 95 games and make the playoffs when you can field a team of cheap shitbums and have a coin flip shot at making the playoffs.

To stop teams from fielding intentionally uncompetitive rosters you have to disincentive that behavior, which right now there are very few. Losing spots in the draft, losing international spending money, and most importantly losing revenue sharing. Implement some form of all three and you’ll see teams like the Orioles sign viable free agents right fucking quick.

I disagree obviously. The team that spends today to win 95 games in an attempt to win the WS isn’t going to stop spending in hopes they can achieve the same goal at a lower cost. Not without massive collusion at least.

Would ownership sign off on eliminating revenue sharing or would that be like asking the players for a hard cap?

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 Post subject: Re: Future of MLB
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Isn’t one of the players’ main issues that some owners intentionally field uncompetitive rosters? Why not provide incentives to make them field more competitive rosters?


More playoff teams will do the exact opposite. Why spend the money to win 95 games and make the playoffs when you can field a team of cheap shitbums and have a coin flip shot at making the playoffs.

To stop teams from fielding intentionally uncompetitive rosters you have to disincentive that behavior, which right now there are very few. Losing spots in the draft, losing international spending money, and most importantly losing revenue sharing. Implement some form of all three and you’ll see teams like the Orioles sign viable free agents right fucking quick.

I disagree obviously. The team that spends today to win 95 games in an attempt to win the WS isn’t going to stop spending in hopes they can achieve the same goal at a lower cost. Not without massive collusion at least.

Would ownership sign off on eliminating revenue sharing or would that be like asking the players for a hard cap?


We aren’t talking about teams like the Dodgers or Yankees. Those teams will always spend money. The players aren’t pissed about teams like those. The teams are pissed about those teams that essentially say they have the talent to win 82 games, and if they get lucky they will win 86 games and that is enough to make the playoffs. So why spend $40 more million to guarantee 90 wins when it isn’t that much more valuable than the coin flip shot at 86 wins.

The middle class teams that already cheap out to squeak into the playoffs are going to spend less if you expand the playoffs. These teams are who the players are pissed at. The players don’t want expanded playoffs because they know that the already cheap owners will spend even less, have less incentive to promote MLB ready talent, etc.

The issue with expanded playoffs isn’t that the top 5 spending teams are all the sudden going to spend like the Cleveland Guardians. Anyone who thinks that is clueless. The problem is with expanded playoffs, the Cleveland Guardians have even more incentive to run cheap shitbums out there because there are even more slots to make the postseason with mediocre talent.


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I don't know how COVID has changed it, but in 2018, mlb players received 54.2% of the total MLB revenue. That's higher than any other pro sports league in America.

However, when the owners suggest "revenue sharing" it becomes a non-starter.

Root for the owners here and don't feel bad about it. The players were more interested in this battle than they were in even having a season in 2020. They are the villains here.

Every sports league should have a 50-50 split of revenue between players and the teams. Simple. Easy. Fair.

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Owners haven't opened up their books. They never have except under court order. I would surmise the players dispute that 54% figure and where it came from.

And of course Purdue Rick is on the side of owners.


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Owners haven't opened up their books. They never have except under court order. I would surmise the players dispute that 54% figure and where it came from.
Why would they without revenue sharing?

If the players association thinks they are lying then why fight revenue sharing?

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And of course Purdue Rick is on the side of owners.
Owners can be right too sometimes.

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Owners haven't opened up their books. They never have except under court order. I would surmise the players dispute that 54% figure and where it came from.
Why would they without revenue sharing?

If the players association thinks they are lying then why fight revenue sharing?

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And of course Purdue Rick is on the side of owners.
Owners can be right too sometimes.


Not seemingly in sports. It’s almost certain a fan takes the players side always. Regardless of facts.

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Owners haven't opened up their books. They never have except under court order. I would surmise the players dispute that 54% figure and where it came from.
Why would they without revenue sharing?

If the players association thinks they are lying then why fight revenue sharing?

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Owners can be right too sometimes.

I suggest you look it up.


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I have.

If the players believe that the owners are paying less than 50% of revenue, then do a 50-50 revenue split and make more money. It works for the other American sports leagues.

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I have.

If the players believe that the owners are paying less than 50% of revenue, then do a 50-50 revenue split and make more money. It works for the other American sports leagues.

Owners won't submit to an audit


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I have.

If the players believe that the owners are paying less than 50% of revenue, then do a 50-50 revenue split and make more money. It works for the other American sports leagues.

Owners won't submit to an audit

Why would they without revenue sharing?

That's the whole point of revenue sharing.

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I have.

If the players believe that the owners are paying less than 50% of revenue, then do a 50-50 revenue split and make more money. It works for the other American sports leagues.

Owners won't submit to an audit

Why would they without revenue sharing?

That's the whole point of revenue sharing.

It's been a decades old beef. Why don't you go in there and talk some sense to these dumbass players.


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Owners haven't opened up their books. They never have except under court order. I would surmise the players dispute that 54% figure and where it came from.
Why would they without revenue sharing?

If the players association thinks they are lying then why fight revenue sharing?

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And of course Purdue Rick is on the side of owners.
Owners can be right too sometimes.


Not seemingly in sports. It’s almost certain a fan takes the players side always. Regardless of facts.


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