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If the Bulls can trade Deng and others without giving up anyone in their big 3 to get Anthony I would do it it a heart beat.

Would you do it if Anthony won't sign an extension? Basically you would be dumping Deng, Taj, filler and/or picks for a half season of Melo. Is that worth it? If he would sign an extension I would do it in a heartbeat also. Otherwise no.


How many years left on Dengs contract?

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From all accounts Anthony would sign an extension with the Bulls.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... hony011911

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If you give Deng as many shot attempts as Carmelo, he would be a higher scorer. The FG% and 3PT threat show that pretty simply.

Deng makes $11.3M...Anthony would be making $21.6M with the contract extension.

You'd also lose out on Taj Gibson's excellent defense when spelling Noah or Boozer...and 2 picks that can contribute to your future success.


Really? Okay. You can take Taj and Deng and I'll take Anthony.

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This argument is dumb. Denver doesn't want Deng, so the only package that will get it done is one with Noah. This team will fail if he isn't your starting center. By trading Noah you would be fixing the SG problem, but creating an even bigger problem in the middle.

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You take 3 years of second round exits, I'll try to win a championship.


That's fine. For the sake of the Bulls franchise I hope that the guys making the decisions don't believe that Deng and Taj gets them closer to a title than having Melo would. Something tells me NO ONE in the NBA thinks that way.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:27 am 
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If you give Deng as many shot attempts as Carmelo, he would be a higher scorer. The FG% and 3PT threat show that pretty simply. Do you honestly thing Anthony's PPG is going to stay the same moving from Denver to Chicago?

Deng makes $11.3M...Anthony would be making $21.6M with the contract extension.

You'd also lose out on Taj Gibson's excellent defense when spelling Noah or Boozer...and 2 picks that can contribute to your future success.


You were probably one of the guys like Mike north who said the Bulls should not give up Deng for Kobe. :lol: If Denver is dumb enough to give up Anthoney for Taj and Deng it is a no brainer.

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This argument is dumb. Denver doesn't want Deng, so the only package that will get it done is one with Noah. This team will fail if he isn't your starting center. By trading Noah you would be fixing the SG problem, but creating an even bigger problem in the middle.


I think the problem at center can be filled a lot easier than you believe. Having Melo will cover a lot of issues. Would you trade Noah for LeBron or Kobe? If your answer is yes to either of those players then you should do the same for Melo. At this point the Bulls may not have to. The Nuggets will soon see the writing on the wall and take the best deal. With the Nets out right now the Bulls have the best assets to offer even without including Noah.

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BREAKING NEWS:

If you give Deng as many shot attempts as Carmelo, he would be a higher scorer. The FG% and 3PT threat show that pretty simply.

Deng makes $11.3M...Anthony would be making $21.6M with the contract extension.

You'd also lose out on Taj Gibson's excellent defense when spelling Noah or Boozer...and 2 picks that can contribute to your future success.


Really? Okay. You can take Taj and Deng and I'll take Anthony.


You take 3 years of second round exits, I'll try to win a championship.

the Bulls as presently constructed are not winning a championship. So that's not a great argument.

So you think Deng is as good as Carmelo? Cause you appear to be comparing them for some reason.

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This argument is dumb. Denver doesn't want Deng, so the only package that will get it done is one with Noah. This team will fail if he isn't your starting center. By trading Noah you would be fixing the SG problem, but creating an even bigger problem in the middle.

can this team win a championship as currently constructed? What steps would you take to make this a championship team? Of course Denver doesn't want Deng, unless we would take Al Harrington, perhaps....

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I linked to their stats already. I am comparing them. Deng shoots the ball better, and can play three different positions on the court. He also doesn't need the ball as much as Anthony, and therefore doesn't disrupt the flow of the offense with Boozer and Rose.

So you'd rather have Deng than Anthony, all things considered?

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I linked to their stats already. I am comparing them. Deng shoots the ball better, and can play three different positions on the court. He also doesn't need the ball as much as Anthony, and therefore doesn't disrupt the flow of the offense with Boozer and Rose.

Deng has his moments, but he can also be a complete non-factor.

Ex: He shot 2-11, on Tuesday against the Bobcats. If he even shoots 27% (3-11), Bulls win the game. Deng cannot take over a game, like Melo.

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I linked to their stats already. I am comparing them. Deng shoots the ball better, and can play three different positions on the court. He also doesn't need the ball as much as Anthony, and therefore doesn't disrupt the flow of the offense with Boozer and Rose.

So you'd rather have Deng than Anthony, all things considered?


Yes. If it was Deng for Anthony straight up, and they made comparable money, I would take Anthony.

I wouldn't give up Deng's manageable salary, plus young talent, plus draft picks for Carmelo Anthony's exorbitant salary, bad shooting %, and marginally better rebounding.

So, it's about the money? And what talent? Noah or Gibson?

Carmelo can play good defense. Witness Lakers vs. Nuggets in the playoffs, Kobe vs. Carmelo. Carmelo's a man, a complete game changer. Deng's a boy.

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I linked to their stats already. I am comparing them. Deng shoots the ball better, and can play three different positions on the court. He also doesn't need the ball as much as Anthony, and therefore doesn't disrupt the flow of the offense with Boozer and Rose.

Deng has his moments, but he can also be a complete non-factor.

Ex: He shot 2-11, on Tuesday against the Bobcats. If he even shoots 27% (3-11), Bulls win the game. Deng cannot take over a game, like Melo.


If Anthony is in that game on the Bulls, one could argue Rose doesn't go 12-24 and score 33 points and the Bulls lose anyways.

WHAT? Are you serious? Anthony draws the double teams and Rose goes for 50! Whut?! You need to look further than stats, man.

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WHAT? Are you serious? Anthony draws the double teams and Rose goes for 50! Whut?! You need to look further than stats, man.


WRONG. Anthony still puts up his shots. He isn't going to sacrifice attempts...his FG% is low because he still takes the shots...good or bad.

Have you watched Nuggets games? How many have you seen this season, for example? Do you know how Carmelo gets his shots?

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Wow, I think we have a new contender for the position of most ignorant NBA thoughts on the CSFMB

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careful. You're going to have to side with me on this one.

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careful. You're going to have to side with me on this one.


I know, it is a rather scary position to be in.

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Any Nuggets game on ESPN, TNT, or NBATV. I watch a lot of basketball. Few, if any here, watch more than I do. If it isn't Bobcats vs Wizards, I'm probably viewing it.

then, my friend...you have no excuse for that opinion.

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Basically there are 3 scenarios to this trade:

Deng + package FOR Melo w/no extension (Im on the fence with this. Giving up a bunch for a rent-a-player is a big gamble, especially for such a young team)

Deng + Package FOR Melo w/extension (I make this deal in a heartbeat)

Noah + Package FOR Melo w/extension (I still wouldn't make this deal, You could pickup a decent shooter to fill that hole and not have to give up as much as this)

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but are they a championship team in scenerio 3?

The Nets and Knicks won't take Harrington. I would take Harrington if it meant keeping Noah.

Assists Per game for the Nugs:

Billups 5.3
Lawson 4.0
Melo 2.9

Third on the team. Some ball-hog.

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The more I read about this, the more I'm starting to think Carmelo Anthony will finish this season with the Denver Nuggets. I'm also under the impression that Carmelo's wife, former MTV VJ LaLa Vasquez, is trying to force a deal with the New York Knicks. It's not just Carmelo wanting to play with Amare Stoudemire, but LaLa wants to shop and increase her own profile as a celebrity. This as the Knicks don't have what the Nuggets are really looking for in return.


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but are they a championship team in scenerio 3?

The Nets and Knicks won't take Harrington. I would take Harrington if it meant keeping Noah.

Assists Per game for the Nugs:

Billups 5.3
Lawson 4.0
Melo 2.9

Third on the team. Some ball-hog.

:lol: , that 3 times a game where he's giving the ball to a teammate to score is really telling.

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I would take Harrington if it meant keeping Noah.


:shock: What have you done with our cof?

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The Nets and Knicks won't take Harrington. I would take Harrington if it meant keeping Noah.

That Harrington contract is absolutely terrible. If the Bulls can unload Deng and some package, I wouldn't mind taking him, but that is just dumb money that he is being paid.

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The Nuggets want to trade Carmelo in the worst way, but he doesn't want to go to New Jersey and he doesn't want to come here either, even if there's a multi-year extension involved. It's either the Knicks or nothing...


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but are they a championship team in scenerio 3?

The Nets and Knicks won't take Harrington. I would take Harrington if it meant keeping Noah.

Assists Per game for the Nugs:

Billups 5.3
Lawson 4.0
Melo 2.9

Third on the team. Some ball-hog.


3 assists isn't a number to be proud about when you get his minutes...and touch the ball on every offensive possession. It clearly helps my argument when he has 3 assists but shoots the ball 27 times.

So, if Melo goes to the Bulls and Deng and say Gibson go to the Nuggs, which team has the better record the rest of the way?

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The Nets and Knicks won't take Harrington. I would take Harrington if it meant keeping Noah.

That Harrington contract is absolutely terrible. If the Bulls can unload Deng and some package, I wouldn't mind taking him, but that is just dumb money that he is being paid.

it is, but it could be the difference between making the trade without sending Noah or not making the trade at all. I'm certain the Bulls won't trade Noah.

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There was talk of a three-way deal involving the Nets & Pistons which never came to fruition either. It's a little sketchy on my part, but Carmelo & Chauncey Billups were mentioned going to New Jersey, Devin Harris to Denver and one of those guys with an expiring contract going to Detroit...The name escapes me at the moment, but it was kinda complex just trying to mention it...


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Luol Deng: 39 MPG, 2.4 APG

Carmelo Anthony: 34 MPG 2.9 APG

you forgot a stat.

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