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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:35 am 
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People down here in Missourah are getting worried.

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Superstar Albert Pujols and the Cardinals are so far apart in negotiations that people familiar with the talks say there is virtually no chance for a deal before the three-time NL MVP reports to spring camp Feb. 16.

Pujols, who will be a free-agent at season's end, has set his reporting date as the deadline for a contract to be done with the Cardinals, but sources indicate that the sides are far apart across the board, meaning on term as well as dollars. Pujols has made it clear talks will cease when he reports, only to be resumed after the season.

As the established best player in the game, Pujols is said to have been seeking a contract at least comparable to Alex Rodriguez's 10-year, $275 million deal, and very likely more than that. People familiar with the talks told SI.com last month that the Cardinals were said to believe a deal for six years, or perhaps seven at the outset, was more reasonable for Pujols, who's 31 years old.

Cardinals owner Bill DeWitt told SI.com in November that he thought the Yankees must regret A-Rod's deal, indicating it wasn't something he wanted to use as a comp for Pujols.

While Pujols' market might possibly be impacted somewhat by the Yankees and Red Sox already possessing star first baseman in Mark Teixeira and Adrian Gonzalez, there should be no shortage of suitors for a player who has begun his career similarly to the way Joe DiMaggio began his, only with more power.

One competing executive said he wouldn't be surprised if the Cubs, the Cardinals' chief rival, made a big play for Pujols. The Cubs have Carlos Peña on a one-year deal and would have a spot for Pujols next offseason.

The Dodgers, Angels, Giants, Nationals and Orioles are among other possibilities should Pujols become a free agent. The Yankees and Red Sox can never be ruled out, but their positional need isn't there for those two teams, assuming Boston keeps Gonzalez long term, as expected.



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:39 am 
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Giving anyone over the age of 31 anything more than a 5 year deal is just dumb money.

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cards are smart not to sign albert to an arod like deal...arod has not come close to living up to his contract..and pujols, like
arod is clearly taking ped's.. if a test comes available for hgh and other ped's..pujols numbers will drop drastically .

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312player wrote:
cards are smart not to sign albert to an arod like deal...arod has not come close to living up to his contract..and pujols, like
arod is clearly taking ped's.. if a test comes available for hgh and other ped's..pujols numbers will drop drastically .


Same with all of baseball. He's going to be a Cub. Hendry is going to offer 10 years/ 210 million no trade.

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Baseball higher-ups seem to believe that Albert Pujols will wind up re-signing with St. Louis. Very little has come out about those talks since SI.com reported a few weeks ago that the sides were as much as $100 million apart, or even more, with Pujols looking for an A-Rod type deal and the Cardinals believed to be offering at least a bit under $200 million, at least at the time. But baseball executives don't see a divorce happening. If it did, one competing exec opined that the Cubs may be "best positioned'' to make a run at Pujols. "They may want to make a splash,'' surmised the exec. Ah, yes, that would be quite a splash.


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Northside_Dan wrote:
312player wrote:
cards are smart not to sign albert to an arod like deal...arod has not come close to living up to his contract..and pujols, like
arod is clearly taking ped's.. if a test comes available for hgh and other ped's..pujols numbers will drop drastically .


Same with all of baseball. He's going to be a Cub. Hendry is going to offer 10 years/ 210 million no trade.

Seriously, thats a lowball offer.


Pujols should ask for 7 years/225 million. In fact he probably should demand to be the highest paid player in baseball.


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if hendry is around to make an offer...and i am quite sure he will not be... his offer would be 12 years 360 million..no trade ..steak dinner boom

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They're negotiating. Just like the Yankees and Jeter they'll get something done. Roidface will be in St Lou for a long time.


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Northside_Dan wrote:
312player wrote:
cards are smart not to sign albert to an arod like deal...arod has not come close to living up to his contract..and pujols, like
arod is clearly taking ped's.. if a test comes available for hgh and other ped's..pujols numbers will drop drastically .


Same with all of baseball. He's going to be a Cub. Hendry is going to offer 10 years/ 210 million no trade.

Only because Hendry would bully him into taking the offer. Pujols would be a typical starry eyed Hendry move instead of developing the young talent in house like Jason DuBois :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Pujols is my favorite player in baseball but I wouldn't want the Cubs involved in any talks with him. He's on the wrong side of 30 and wants too many years.
I'd rather see the Cubs make an offer to the fat vegan up in Milwaukee

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Pujols is my favorite player in baseball but I wouldn't want the Cubs involved in any talks with him. He's on the wrong side of 30 and wants too many years.
I'd rather see the Cubs make an offer to the fat vegan up in Milwaukee

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JUPITER, Fla. -- It appears that inaction has given way to a setback in the negotiations between the Cardinals and Albert Pujols. USA Today reported on Sunday evening that Pujols has rejected a contract offer from the club, and that "unless a dramatic change is made," on Tuesday he will end talks until after the season.

It was unclear from the report when an offer would have been made or turned down. Both the club and Pujols' camp have maintained a preference for silence regarding the negotiations since conversations began in December, and as recently as Saturday, general manager John Mozeliak had little to say on the topic.

Neither Mozeliak nor Pujols' agent, Danny Lozano, could be reached for comment on Sunday evening.

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JUPITER, Fla. -- It appears that Albert Pujols will not sign a new contract with the Cardinals this spring. Negotiations came to an end on Wednesday morning, more than an hour prior to the slugger's self-imposed 11 a.m. CT Wednesday deadline. Thus, as he has said, he is expected to break off all contract talks until after the season ends. A Major League source confirmed that negotiations had ceased.

MLB.com will simulcast MLB Network's live coverage of the Pujols story at 11 a.m. CT/noon ET.

Pujols had reportedly sought a 10-year deal, with some outlets reporting that he wanted $300 million over that span. SI.com reported on Tuesday night that the Cardinals had offered an eight-year contract worth less than $30 million per year but likely more than $25 million per year, while the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported that the club was "weighing" a guaranteed eighth year as of Wednesday morning.

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Good move by the Cards at this point. He's one of the best right handed hitters to ever play the game, but he's been ouchy at times and to give a 31 year old (to be 32 when his next deal starts) guy 7, 8, 9, 10+ guaranteed years is a huge risk.

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Once in a while I agree with Terry Boers, & this is one of those times. The Cardinals should tell Pujols to hit the road. Let some other fool give him a 10 year $300 Million contract. That's just foolish spending, even for a player of Pujols caliber. I honestly cant believe that Hendry would be interested in Pujols after his experience with Soriano, Fukedome, & others. I also cant believe that Ricketts will let Hendry even entertain signing Albert.

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Once in a while I agree with Terry Boers, & this is one of those times. The Cardinals should tell Pujols to hit the road. Let some other fool give him a 10 year $300 Million contract. That's just foolish spending, even for a player of Pujols caliber. I honestly cant believe that Hendry would be interested in Pujols after his experience with Soriano, Fukedome, & others. I also cant believe that Ricketts will let Hendry even entertain signing Albert.


Provided he stays healthy and produces like Pujols this year, I'd be okay if the Cubs offered 4 years for anywhere around 28-30 million per with a club option for the 5th. Anything more than that is crazy talk

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If Albert Pujols doesn't stay in St. Louis, riddle me this...Where does he go? The Yankees and Red Sox, normally at the top of any player's free agent wish list, are set at first base with Mark Teixeira in the Bronx & Adrian Gonzalez in Boston respectively. The Blue Jays are trying to get rid of bad money, such as the White Sox' own Alex Rios & the Angels' just acquired Vernon Wells, the Orioles haven't been legit in some 2 decades & the Royals have done nothing since winning it all in 1985. As impressive as his stats appear to be now in St. Louis, I can't give Pujols the rumored 10 year, $300 million contract he's supposedly seeking and many other owners in Bud Selig's Major League Baseball aren't about to break the bank either.


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Once in a while I agree with Terry Boers, & this is one of those times. The Cardinals should tell Pujols to hit the road. Let some other fool give him a 10 year $300 Million contract. That's just foolish spending, even for a player of Pujols caliber. I honestly cant believe that Hendry would be interested in Pujols after his experience with Soriano, Fukedome, & others. I also cant believe that Ricketts will let Hendry even entertain signing Albert.


The most frightening part of this deal is not Pujols staying with the Cubs main rival. It's the possibility of him signing with the Cubs for the above terms. I FULLY believe all of that was a plant by Albert's people. Which is what they are paid to do. Jon Heyman reported earlier the Cardinals offered over $200 Million for nine years. I would be sickened if the Cubs offer that amount.

What are his options? I believe the Dodgers and Mets will have completely new owners by the next FA period. Loney is expendable, and the Mets have nothing of substance. There's your splash. Also, nobody would take Artie Moreno's money this year, which will make him more interested next year. I hope all of them get in the "Keep a $300 Million Contract Away from the Cubs" sweepstakes.

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I can understand not wanting to give him that much money for that long...yeah, you have to say no to that...

...but to make him an offer that doesn't put him in the top 5 paid players...fucking a, are you trying to piss the guy off?


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I can understand not wanting to give him that much money for that long...yeah, you have to say no to that...

...but to make him an offer that doesn't put him in the top 5 paid players...fucking a, are you trying to piss the guy off?


He's 31. 8 years, 206 million would make him the highest paid player in baseball. He'll be 39 and under indictment at that time. Take the money and run.

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I can understand not wanting to give him that much money for that long...yeah, you have to say no to that...

...but to make him an offer that doesn't put him in the top 5 paid players...fucking a, are you trying to piss the guy off?


He's 31. 8 years, 206 million would make him the highest paid player in baseball. He'll be 39 and under indictment at that time. Take the money and run.

I'm confused...the article I read today said the deal they offered him would have put him in the top 10 for salary but not in the top 5...wonder if they meant per year or overall...


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I can understand not wanting to give him that much money for that long...yeah, you have to say no to that...

...but to make him an offer that doesn't put him in the top 5 paid players...fucking a, are you trying to piss the guy off?


He's 31. 8 years, 206 million would make him the highest paid player in baseball. He'll be 39 and under indictment at that time. Take the money and run.

I'm confused...the article I read today said the deal they offered him would have put him in the top 10 for salary but not in the top 5...wonder if they meant per year or overall...

It was per year if I am not mistaken. Also, as a Brewers fan, I can completely understand what the Cardinals are doing. When your payroll is $110 million and you have to give a guy over %20 of that I don't think you can win. The Brewers are in the same situation, kinda. I understand that Fielder is not to the level of Pujols, but to the Brewers he is. They can't afford him, and I fully expect him to be wearing Cubbie blue next year. :evil:

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I would rather have Pujols. I understand the numbers Prince puts up. However, I'm not giving a 310 lb. vegan a ten year deal. Not interested.

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I would rather have Pujols. I understand the numbers Prince puts up. However, I'm not giving a 310 lb. vegan a ten year deal. Not interested.

I wouldn't give either one of them a 10 year deal. I was just saying I can understand both teams dilemmas even though I know both fan bases don't.

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The egos on these fucking guys just kill me. Pujols has made almost 90 million fucking dollars so far in his career and is going to turn his nose up at another 200 million or so the Cardinals are offering because its not enough? Dude, you can fuck right off, guys like you are as much of a blight on the game than Pete Rose ever will be. Heres hoping a fastball breaks your wrist this year you fuckbag.

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I would rather have Pujols. I understand the numbers Prince puts up. However, I'm not giving a 310 lb. vegan a ten year deal. Not interested.

I wouldn't give either one of them a 10 year deal. I was just saying I can understand both teams dilemmas even though I know both fan bases don't.


Spot on. You have to keep the stupid happy, even if it isn't the best thing for your organization. I will never tell someone they've made enough money. My personal belief is I'd rather have happiness as opposed to an extra ten million. After I already have 200 million. However, I've never been put in that situation. If anyone wants to help me with that, let me know.

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Black Terry, I agree. I just wonder if Pujols doesn't feel like he can win another championship there? Also, I truly believe he feels like he gave the Cardinals a significant discount on the previous contract, and when you look at salaries he did. I know what you are saying about the money, but I can see his side of the story. And yes, I will take all financial donations also.

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lipidquadcab wrote:
I can understand not wanting to give him that much money for that long...yeah, you have to say no to that...

...but to make him an offer that doesn't put him in the top 5 paid players...fucking a, are you trying to piss the guy off?


He's 31. 8 years, 206 million would make him the highest paid player in baseball. He'll be 39 and under indictment at that time. Take the money and run.

He's at least 33. I wouldn't be surprised if he were 34 or 35.


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Black Terry, I agree. I just wonder if Pujols doesn't feel like he can win another championship there? Also, I truly believe he feels like he gave the Cardinals a significant discount on the previous contract, and when you look at salaries he did. I know what you are saying about the money, but I can see his side of the story. And yes, I will take all financial donations also.


He's questionably the best player in baseball. He believes both of these things. It's the fault of management the pieces aren't put around him to win. It's the fault of management they don't treat him like the superstar his agent, his dad, his mom, his twit, his facetwat, his New York Daily News, his Ari Gold, his Michael Jordan, his Ricketts, his robots, and his planet Earth do.

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The egos on these fucking guys just kill me. Pujols has made almost 90 million fucking dollars so far in his career and is going to turn his nose up at another 200 million or so the Cardinals are offering because its not enough? Dude, you can fuck right off, guys like you are as much of a blight on the game than Pete Rose ever will be. Heres hoping a fastball breaks your wrist this year you fuckbag.


Oh how I do so "love" people that worry about other people's money ... please, do expand on your tirade and let me subscribe to your newsletter. :roll:

Surely your next installment will include the bastards who actually pony-up money like that to give to players .... you know, spread around the stupidity to both sides of the equation.

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