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I respectfully disagree. The game today is not the same game played twenty years ago. The level of competition 20 years ago was awesome and commensurate to what the game required. The game, specifically defense and how is called, has changed, therefore, the type of talent required to be successful and play the game has also changed. I believe an argument can be made that many of the players in prior years could play in today's league while many of today's players could not play in the late 80's and early 90's. I am not talking stars, just regular players.

Obviously, you follow golf a lot closer than I- or probably most guys here- do. But I'm not sure Woods' competition is better than Nicklaus'. If you want to say it's deeper, I'd be inclined to agree. But I don't think the top ten guys in any time during Woods' career are as strong the top ten guys Nicklaus played against regularly. The equipment is better. Guys hit longer.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Chris Bosh and company would be crying every night.

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It's actually pretty substantial in comparison, in all honesty. In the prime of Woods' career (late 90's to mid-2000's) the scoring average had lowered significantly to that of players during Nicklaus' prime (mid-1960's to early 1970's).

The Vardon Trophy is awarded to the player with the lowest scoring average on Tour for that year. Between the years 1960 - 1970, winners averaged 70.21. Between the years 1995-2005, winners averaged 68.80.

While equipment has improved, courses have also improved (reconstruction, new hazards, more difficult).

i don't know very much about golf.. but i have to think as population increases and more people are exposed to the game the competition has got to be much greater. 35 years ago only rich white kids played golf , that can not be said now.

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I'll take the top ten from Jack's era everyday and twice on Sundays against what is out there now. The guys from Jack's era knew how to "play the game". The course conditions alone have improved to the point that the older guys would tear up what they play on now. What the Tour played on back in the day would be nothing but a public goat ranch today.

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derrik rose had another mj finish to the game tonight... im just sayin...

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Bulls are up 2 games

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I saw MJ from the beginning, from college through the pros. I have never seen any athlete have a desire to absolutely humiliate his oppnent like he did.

However, Derek Rose is only 22 and he is the MVP of the NBA. At 22 Mike was a rookie...

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How would the Detroit Pistons of 20 years ago do in the league now with the current defensive rules?

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Regardless of the rules, they would have lost to the Bulls of 20 years ago.

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they would also lose to d rose bulls of today.

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Tiger was awfully damned close. Of course Jack still knows(but won't admit) that Tiger would've crushed him....in his prime.



So very true...

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How many points a game would MJ average?

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19,500...

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so even if rose was 40x better then jordan he still wouldnt be better because its "too soon"? i mean i know rose is only 1.1x better then jordan im just sayin...

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equipment has improved, but back in the day (even as short a time ago as the 80's) a par 5 was a par five. only a handful of truly long hitters had a shot at reaching in 2. now, you had BETTER get it up there in 2, or good luck. greg norman and fred couples were blowing minds with 300 yd drives in the 80's. this years leader AVERAGES around 315. these days on a par five, anything less than a birdie is a failure. there is no way anyone can convince me that with the equipment advances that the courses today are more difficult than 30-40 years ago.

Put the meth and crack down and step away from the keyboard.

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I don't disagree with any of that. I'm just not sure what to think of Rose. I don't think he has any idea how good he can be. Like Mike before him, he does things I have never seen. He is only 22 years old. Do we remember how young that is? He is going to be the MVP of the NBA at 22. Wrap your head around that. I am having trouble with it myself. I have seen a lot of players and Rose is giving me a basketball hard-on. Just ask my contemporary, Papa Regular Reader and see what he has to say about young Rose. I am looking forward to the next ten years.

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They may be the two hardest working players I've ever seen in any sport. Put either of them on their opposite's team and the winning % may be just as high.

That having been said, (former greatest Chicago player) Isiah Thomas wishes he had D. Rose's game. At 22 or 32...

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So very true.

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--yet I can't look away."

Isiah Thomas says hello.

And some of you guys thought this thread would improve if I stopped posting in it.
There is some real crazy talk going on in here like comparing DR to MJ, Salmons is an NBA HOF'r, & claims that today's top PGA players are better than the top players from the years when Jack was in his prime.
Jacks prime years were 1971 - 1980.
Here are the top Golfers from this era:

1. Jack
2. Lee Trevino
3. Tom Watson
4. Gary Player
5. Johnny Miller
6. Hale Irwin
7. Dave Stockton
8. Tom Weiskopf
9. Billy Casper
10. Ray Floyd
11. Ben Crenshaw
12. Hubert Green
13. Chi Chi

I'll take this group over today's players every day of the week.

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take this golf shit out of here

Scorehead, you should be permanently banned from the Bulls and NBA forums here. I honestly don't know why you even post in them if you don't like the NBA. I don't know jack shit about golf, you don't see me opining on it

you probably didn't even know who John Salmons was either; you just went along with the prevailing opinion

Wait... before you make that call, professional golf is usually on channel 2 on weekends. Just helping you out.

Right...but that doesn't help you understand how good these guys were in the 1970's. Watch the Golf Chanel for that. Golf is one of my passions in life. I love to play it, watch it & attend tournaments as often as I can. I certainly appreciate the talents of young players like Bubba Watson, Luke Donald & Hunter Mahan, but it's a bit premature to say that either of them is better than any of the players that I listed from the 1970's.

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Listen, I can respect your love of the game; as you know, I cover golf regularly. But you are simply not giving these new players enough credit. Scores are substantially lower on average in comparison to decades ago. It is simply a fact.

But I think that's largely due to the equipment.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don