I kinda found myself feeling the same way a couple of years ago. I
have a little bit of Clapton and a lot of B.B. King stuff. Enjoyed the
hell out of it about 10 years ago and then just stopped listening to
it. Even now when I put a disc in I don't really feel the vibe anymore.

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Like he really sat down one day and thought to himself "I'm gonna write a hit song about my dead son?"

No way. Just doesn't happen like that. The song was written as a tribute, and it just became a hit and was used in a soundtrack.

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I don't know how "Tears In Heaven" came about, but I do know he isn't convincing me with his performances of it that he really cares about his dead son. Listen to it next to something like the original "Layla". There's a guy who cares. He was in love with his best friend's old lady and it was tearing his guts out. He got all that emotion on record. "Tears in Heaven" sounds like a fuckin' jingle by comparison.

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I like you, but this is completely stupid.
But it's not because I don't like you. It's only because this is stupid.

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What's stupid about it?

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Most of it. Pretty much the whole he doesn't care about his dead son thing.

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I didn't say that. What I said was he's not convincing me with the song. But I might submit that if he really cared about his kid, he wouldn't let him play at an open window on the fiftieth fucking floor.

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Agreed.....of course


And Frank and Darkside

The dude wrote the song. Fine.

He didnt have to play it on his MTV UNPLUGGED Special
He didnt have to release it as a fucking music video from his MTV SELLOUT errrrr UNPLUGGED special
He didnt have to release it as a single
He didnt have to sell it several times since to diffrent movie and commericals.


Making money off his dead kid.



It doesnt mean he doesnt or never cared about his son

It means just what is says

He's making money off his dead son.

It rubs me the wrong way.

I suppose Wu-Tang has no tribute to Ol' Dirty Bastard then?

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Didn't know his father was in the group....

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I'm glad you weren't on the coronors inquest board.


Well he's making the money anyway. By choosing that song perhaps he's honoring his son the best way a musician can. I don't think he said "Now that he's out of the way... how can I make money off him".



Have you even been around toddlers before?

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I believe Clapton was fucked up on drugs when this happened but I could be
mistaken on that one. I'll do some checking.

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I'm just pointing out, whats the difference between making money off a dead kid as opposed to making money off a song about a dead colleague, friend, wife, or girlfriend? That should rub him the wrong way too.

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Clapton wasn't there when his son died because he fell from his Mothers fiftieth fucking floor apartment. But I guess your version works if you just want to be an asshole about it.

It was at the kids' mom's friends house. Not sure he was even there??

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ODB is not any of their kids

ODB died as a result of abusing his body and Not as a child


ODB is an orhpan (aint no fatha to his style)

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Frank the fact that he died as a chld makes it a lot more tragic to me.


Also, ODB being a performer I think changes it a little bit.

But making money off death isnt a good idea anyway and the ODB tribute on the last Wu album is my least favorite song.

Not sure what you mean by that. I'm just giving you my opinion on a piece of music. Barry Manilow is a great songwriter, but I've rarely believed anything he was singing. "Tears In Heaven" is of lesser quality than the average Barry Manilow song and I believe it even less.



You're not really excusing people who have kids die on their watch because of the uncontrollable nature of the average toddler, are you? I'd guess if this were Pete the roofer from Bull Valley whose kid took a dive from the tallest building in Palatine while he and his buddies were watching Devin return a punt, rather than a guy you clearly consider one of the greatest guitarists ever, you'd be one of the first with a Douchebag nomination.

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I dunno man... Lots of movies and tv shows and actors and actresses making money off this shit not to mention candles in the wind and shit like that.

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I believe ths was the case. I'll also correct myself in saying that I believe he had
kicked the drugs at this point in his life. Not sure why I remembered it as him
being there but maybe I just assumed.

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Thats true, I think a childs death is a diffrent kind of tragedy though and really should be left alone.


I like Clapton as a guitar player

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All right dude. That's cool. I guess he has to cry onstage each time he performs it and breaks down weeping to get to Barry Manilow's level, which if I recall is crying over a goddamn Beagle dog in Mandy.
Either way, in my opinion, public performance and private expressions of grief are unrelated. It's just a tribute song.



Ah no. My point was that kids do get away from you all the goddamn time. And it was a fucking accident. And he wasn't there. So my point in all that was that the fact that his son fell victim to accidental death has nothing to do with the amount that Clapton loved his kid and I just found that statement ridiculous.

PS. You have a BolierRickian method of debate. Not sure how I feel about that.

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EXCELLENT. We're back to the bloody original topic, thanks man.
Ok yeah, who doesn't really? If you listen to the guy, even if you don't like the music really, you have to see that he is ridiculously talented. Just an amazing player. Like I said I'm not really a fan. That color of money song makes me PTFB. But he can play.
And thusly calling him overrated is really kind of dumb.
At least to me.

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Eric Clapton is not overrated, Mac. The stuff Clapton did with the Yardbirds, Cream, Blind Faith, Derek and the Dominos and the solo stuff he did between 1970 and 1989 absolutely rocks! Listening to a lot of classic rock over the years, Clapton and his guitar were really, really good...