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What's wrong with specialization of talents in sports? In general, it makes things better and not worse. It's not like anyone cares that catchers never play in the field or that position players don't pitch. We might as well just let all the players play every position like it was 100 years ago.

No thanks. Give me a great matchup between a great hitter who can't play the field well vs. a pitcher who can't hit rather than watching an inept pitcher pray that he makes contact to advance a runner.


Interesting. So why not let a guy who can field but can't hit have DH right? Why just pitchers? You want the best matchup... why not get 9 guys who are the best hitters in the league, and then just get the best fielders and then you can have an offense and a defense like in football.

I might be wrong, but can a pitcher actually bat in the AL, and some other position player have a DH? I know it would be stupid to do so, but does the rulebook allow it? You never know what would happen if Big Z ever goes over to the AL.

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I might be wrong, but can a pitcher actually bat in the AL, and some other position player have a DH? I know it would be stupid to do so, but does the rulebook allow it? You never know what would happen if Big Z ever goes over to the AL.

Not 100%, but I believe the answer is "no". If a pitcher bats in the AL, that team forfeits it's right to use a DH for the remainder of that game.

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Interesting. So why not let a guy who can field but can't hit have DH right? Why just pitchers?
I'd be fine with that. I don't know if it's allowed though.
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You want the best matchup... why not get 9 guys who are the best hitters in the league, and then just get the best fielders and then you can have an offense and a defense like in football.
You could but I think that the reason they do it for pitchers is that it's a much more specialized job. It's similar to a goalie. A goalie only plays on one end of the floor. A pitcher only plays one side of the game.

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I might be wrong, but can a pitcher actually bat in the AL, and some other position player have a DH? I know it would be stupid to do so, but does the rulebook allow it? You never know what would happen if Big Z ever goes over to the AL.

I've heard people talk about Z PHing or hitting his position in the AL but that's really not a good idea at all. Not even remotely.

BA OBP SLG OPS .237 .245 .389 .634

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I might be wrong, but can a pitcher actually bat in the AL, and some other position player have a DH? I know it would be stupid to do so, but does the rulebook allow it? You never know what would happen if Big Z ever goes over to the AL.


Yes, a pitcher can bat...not just in situations where there is an injury (like the thing with the Twins in the doubleheader against the Sox a couple years back).

The rule states that the team may, but is not required to, have a permanent pinch hitter for the pitcher.

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Darkside wrote:
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I might be wrong, but can a pitcher actually bat in the AL, and some other position player have a DH? I know it would be stupid to do so, but does the rulebook allow it? You never know what would happen if Big Z ever goes over to the AL.

I've heard people talk about Z PHing or hitting his position in the AL but that's really not a good idea at all. Not even remotely.

BA OBP SLG OPS .237 .245 .389 .634

Meh.

I'm not saying it would be a good idea, just wondering if the rules allowed it. When Rick Ankiel used to pitch, he would rake at the plate. Teams probably wouldn't want to lose his bat vs a light hitting SS.

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You could but I think that the reason they do it for pitchers is that it's a much more specialized job. It's similar to a goalie. A goalie only plays on one end of the floor. A pitcher only plays one side of the game.


How is it more specialized than any other position? You think you could just slot Juan Pierre into a catcher slot or something? Or anyone else really? I mean you could, but by the same reasoning you could also slide Soriano into a pitcher spot if you really wanted to.

A pitcher plays only one side of the game? What does that even mean?

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Jim Thome and his probably 300+ HRs as a DH would disagree with you wholeheartedly.

Whatever. Just don't tell me how much better the league is when you take out the weakest hitter and substitute a guy who can't do anything BUT hit and compare the stats apples to apples.



You mean like comparing an AL pitcher's strikeouts to an NL pitcher's?

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i agree..and it prevents pitchers throwing at guys if they have to dig in at the plate...selig moved the brewers to nl central to increase the chance at a world series it was a selfish and greedy move..he addressed peds like ronald regan addressed crack cocaine and aids. what did selig do when an umpire cost a kid a perfect game last year(the last play of the game) nothing ..he is good at doing nothing it has come with practice

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I might be wrong, but can a pitcher actually bat in the AL, and some other position player have a DH? I know it would be stupid to do so, but does the rulebook allow it? You never know what would happen if Big Z ever goes over to the AL.


Yes, a pitcher can bat...not just in situations where there is an injury (like the thing with the Twins in the doubleheader against the Sox a couple years back).

The rule states that the team may, but is not required to, have a permanent pinch hitter for the pitcher.


Yeah, but you cannot DH for another position.

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no i was not aware that k.c. was offered the switch first..not sure why they would take a pass on it..k.c. would probably win 90 plus games and the division in the nl cent... @ darkside .i am not a fan of revenue sharing either , too many greedy people abuse it and it hurts the game in general.

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How is it more specialized than any other position? You think you could just slot Juan Pierre into a catcher slot or something? Or anyone else really? I mean you could, but by the same reasoning you could also slide Soriano into a pitcher spot if you really wanted to.
A pitcher does everything on the defensive side of the ball that a position player does but is also required to throw the ball in ways that no one else is. Most of them have 3 to 4 pitches that position players don't and probably shouldn't as it's very easy to get injured doing it. Pitchers do a specialized training routine designed specifically to allow them to do certain tasks that are not required of others. That's why they show up early for spring training and why they can't play every day.

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Who is the only pitcher to ever get a hit at US Cellular Field?

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Someone in the Florida vs Washington game. Brad Penny?


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Almost, Keyser.

Josh Beckett, and it was Expos@Marlins due to the hurricane.

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Jim Thome and his probably 300+ HRs as a DH would disagree with you wholeheartedly.

Whatever. Just don't tell me how much better the league is when you take out the weakest hitter and substitute a guy who can't do anything BUT hit and compare the stats apples to apples.



You mean like comparing an AL pitcher's strikeouts to an NL pitcher's?

interesting...
I would imagine that there should be a statistical variation... except that the power hitters probably strike out at a similar ratio to pitchers...??? Good point.

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no i was not aware that k.c. was offered the switch first..not sure why they would take a pass on it..k.c. would probably win 90 plus games and the division in the nl cent... @ darkside .i am not a fan of revenue sharing either , too many greedy people abuse it and it hurts the game in general.

It's bullshit. They should have to spend the goddamn money on players. That's what the whole point was. Pitts is like pocketing most of it ain't they?

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oh that regan thing was just an analogy of how he ignored huge problems in the country that grew to become epidemics. like selig ignored peds and did a terrible dis service to the very game he oversees

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How is it more specialized than any other position? You think you could just slot Juan Pierre into a catcher slot or something? Or anyone else really? I mean you could, but by the same reasoning you could also slide Soriano into a pitcher spot if you really wanted to.
A pitcher does everything on the defensive side of the ball that a position player does but is also required to throw the ball in ways that no one else is. Most of them have 3 to 4 pitches that position players don't and probably shouldn't as it's very easy to get injured doing it. Pitchers do a specialized training routine designed specifically to allow them to do certain tasks that are not required of others. That's why they show up early for spring training and why they can't play every day.

I think you could make a case for allowing a catcher's DH. I mean, afterall the strain on their knees is insane. They also have to report earlier than the position players and must know everything there is to know about each pitcher and that's something that position players don't have to do right? So, since their knees are generally shot and they can't run by age 28... why not get like 2 Henry Blancos and rotate them every day and allow them to be substituted by a power hitter?

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oh that regan thing was just an analogy of how he ignored huge problems in the country that grew to become epidemics. like selig ignored peds and did a terrible dis service to the very game he oversees

I'm just saying that it could be argued that Regan's administration brought an awareness to drug abuse that I'm not so sure was on the public consciousness as much back then. The whole Just Say No thing is still a very well known slogan 30 years later.

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I don't mind the DH, I just wish they would make it the same in both leagues. Either both have the DH or both do not have it.

+1

Its not like the Western Conference fouls out on 5 fouls or the AFC doesnt have 2 pt conversions


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I don't mind the DH, I just wish they would make it the same in both leagues. Either both have the DH or both do not have it.

+1

Its not like the Western Conference fouls out on 5 fouls or the AFC doesnt have 2 pt conversions


Its dumb

I can agree wtih this whole thing.

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Its not like the Western Conference fouls out on 5 fouls or the AFC doesnt have 2 pt conversions


Its dumb


That's actually a really good point.


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oh that regan thing was just an analogy of how he ignored huge problems in the country that grew to become epidemics. like selig ignored peds and did a terrible dis service to the very game he oversees

I'm just saying that it could be argued that Regan's administration brought an awareness to drug abuse that I'm not so sure was on the public consciousness as much back then. The whole Just Say No thing is still a very well known slogan 30 years later.



you are aware his whole bullshit propaganda and war on drugs was/is a massive failure draining the economy to this day

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The problem with Just Say No is Nancy Reagen insisting that there are no HARD DRUGS. All drugs are bad and the same.


Thats ridiculous


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oh that regan thing was just an analogy of how he ignored huge problems in the country that grew to become epidemics. like selig ignored peds and did a terrible dis service to the very game he oversees

I'm just saying that it could be argued that Regan's administration brought an awareness to drug abuse that I'm not so sure was on the public consciousness as much back then. The whole Just Say No thing is still a very well known slogan 30 years later.



you are aware his whole bullshit propaganda and war on drugs was/is a massive failure draining the economy to this day

It's really Nixon's. Let's be fair.
And yes it is a waste.


But it's Nixons.

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The problem with Just Say No is Nancy Reagen insisting that there are no HARD DRUGS. All drugs are bad and the same.


Thats ridiculous

Fair enough. Anyone perpetuating the "Gateway" Theory without acknowledging that alcohol is the first and foremost gateway drug is engaging in hypocrisy in my opinion.

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