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Nintendo company will soon unveil its new Nintendo Wii 2 console at E3 this June which will be held at the Los Angeles Convention Center, according to Games Informer who have heard the information from several sources.

Several game sites also said that the annnouncement from Nintendo is possible this month and that the company is already showing publishers the system in an effort to get them interested.

According to reports, the new Nintendo Wii 2 could be more powerful than the PlayStation and Xbox 360, which is capable of running games at HD resolutions. It was said that the new Wii could have a Blu-ray player, a tablet-style controller with a touchscreen and a three-core processing unit.

“Nintendo is doing this one right. [It's] not a gimmick like the Wii,” said an anonymous source which was quoted from Games Informer.

The new game console of Nintendo is anticipated to launch on 2012, according to reports. There is no confirmation yet whether the new system of this new Nintendo console will be backward compatible with the Wii or if it will carry the same Wii branding.

http://www.batangastoday.com/nintendo-wii-2-rumored-release-date-powerful-than-xbox-and-playstation/11683/


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I hope 3rd party companies will do a better job when they make games for this system.


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It's funny how the original Wii gets bashed, yet it dominated the market and both Microsoft and Sony couldn't wait to capitalize on the "gimmick" by making motion controllers of their own.

To finally get Mario and Zelda in HD will make the purchase worth it.


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I hope it sucks just so it doesn't make Sony and MS speed up the development/release of the PS4 or XBOX 1080.


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immessedup17 wrote:
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It's funny how the original Wii gets bashed, yet it dominated the market and both Microsoft and Sony couldn't wait to capitalize on the "gimmick" by making motion controllers of their own.

To finally get Mario and Zelda in HD will make the purchase worth it.


Yet now the Wii's sales have plummeted and the XBox and PS3 are doing fine.

A gimmick only lasts so long unless accompanied by something else.

LOL...yeah, that's what happens when damn near everyone already has one...take a look at the install bases and you'll see the Wii is on par with the 360 and PS3 combined...hard for it NOT to slow down in sales when that many people already have one...


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That doesn't answer why PS3's and XBox's are still having fine sales.

There is no reason to purchase a Wii anymore, besides brand loyalty. PS3 and XBox have similar gimmicks now.

Sure it does...I know I'm over simplicizing it here, but if the market for gaming consoles is a fixed number x, and the install base for the Wii is larger than the PS3 and 360, it stands to reason that there are more potential customers for the PS3 and 360 than there are the Wii.

I'll throw out the "but the Wii has a large market because it's more family oriented and more 'non-gamers' are buying it" but I'd point out that this is exactly what is happening to the 360 and to a less degree PS3 now...the motion periphreals are opening up markets for those consoles that didn't exist before...it's natural they will see a boost in sales.

I'm not going to make the argument that the Wii didn't suck hardware wise...Standard Def graphics are brutal and the online sucks to all hell, but to pass it off as a "gimmick" when the competition is following suit years later is laughable. Virtual Boy was a gimmick...Sega CD32X was a gimmick...the Wii was a trendsetter.


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The gimmick is the reason it sold over the other consoles.

Even out the playing field by giving everyone that gimmick, and there is no comparison.

However, what does Wii have as a gimmick this time? A tablet controller? People that wanted tablets already have the iPad...

We'll see.


Bingo. The whole reason anyone (including myself) purchased the Wii was because of the whole "OMG I AM ACTUALLY SHOOTING THE BASKETBALL/SWINGING THE CLUB/SLASHING THE SWORD" appeal. Everyone would eventually buy it, thus making it fizzle out before too long.

I still say the biggest downfall of that system was the childish game catalog Nintendo agreed to.


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Nintendo always has decent first party titles, no matter what the graphics are. What they need is to get some exclusive AAA titles from AAA developers.

This is the thing though...you would like them to, I would like them to, most hardcore gamers would like them to, but they don't "need" to...they did just fine with weak ass third party support this time around...

...I think the point where we disagree is what constitutes a gimmick...I'm of the belief that a gimmick is something that is included just for the sake of including something and doesn't add any value, which the motion control clearly did.

The tablet controller...yeah, I don't know about that.


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 Post subject: Re: Nintendo Wii 2
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That doesn't answer why PS3's and XBox's are still having fine sales.

There is no reason to purchase a Wii anymore, besides brand loyalty. PS3 and XBox have similar gimmicks now.


Because XBox and PS3s fuck up and people have to buy new systems thats why they keep having fine sales...

I think the Wii will go down as one of the most enetertaining and innovative systems of all time. Its a great system for games imo

I'm excited to see the specs of the Wii 2. Wanna see how that tablets gonna work

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You think all the families who bought the Wii will buy the next offering? Highly doubtful, because of how casual they are. They were the type of customers who buy one machine every 10 years.


Actually, I fully anticipate that the same families will be inclined to purchase the new Wii. Depending on the bells and whistles of this new system, households that were happy with what the original Wii offered will have older children now who will look for the "next big thing". And, since parents also enjoyed the Wii's ease-of-use, they will be further inclined to purchase Wii 2.


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 Post subject: Re: Nintendo Wii 2
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Yet now the Wii's sales have plummeted and the XBox and PS3 are doing fine.

A gimmick only lasts so long unless accompanied by something else.
The Wii was not a gimmick. All video games are gimmicks one way or another.

The reason it's not doing as well now is because HD gaming has become big and HD tv's are cheaper and have a much bigger market share than they did in 2006. That's why Nintendo is releasing a new version to change that. Times have changed and they are adjusting accordingly. It's pretty simple. The Wii dominated for years. The new version will likely do the same if it does everything that an xbox or playstation can do with the "gimmick" of making fun games with motion control.

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Is the Wii any more of a gimmick than a controller that shakes at certain times, or a joystick that allows you to swing a golf club, or triggers that shoot? The most influential video game system of all time came with a gun and a power pad that you could run on and do hurdles. You can now play guitar, drums, and now you have kinect that doesn't even require a controller and that weird glowing ball thing that playstation has.

I guess putting a device that can detect movement is a gimmick though because it's so rare that a video game system has anything but buttons.

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Did you see that Guitar Hero is now no more...and Harmonix isn't even sure when the next Rock Band will come out...if ever?
What is your point? I never claimed that music games would be dominant forever. However, they'll still be around too.
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I believe when it comes to games...the 'motion simulation' controlling aspect of the games...will be a short lived gimmick. It can be amusing, yes...but the depth of abilities / actions / realistic motions you can perform with the WiiMote / PS Move / Kinect is limited, severely.
It doesn't look like it. In fact, every system out now has one and future ones are designing them too. Then again, as I pointed out, these were available in other forms on the original nintendo right out of the box.
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For casual gamers, it is a fine system. But I don't believe families would purchase this type of video game console every 4 years. Now with this next console from Nintendo...the hardware will dictate a more expensive retail price. Another factor drawing people to the Wii was the price...it started at $249. The Playstation was still $500, the XBox $400.
That's fine. You probably thought no one would buy the original Wii though. People will buy the next one too.

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 Post subject: Re: Nintendo Wii 2
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I thought the Wii would sell as well as it did. It was unique. It is no longer unique.
I disagree. I think the Wii and Wii2 is significantly different than the other options out there. You do too and that's why you think it won't sell well.

If I could get the graphics of an xbox360 or xbox720 with the library of nintendo games and others I'd only buy that one. Nintendo still has the best exclusive titles.

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Playstation Move and XBox Kinect are basically the same thing as the Wii controller. IMU is correct; the Wii is no longer unique.


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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Playstation Move and XBox Kinect are basically the same thing as the Wii controller. IMU is correct; the Wii is no longer unique.
Wow. Wii must have really gotten a lot better if it's not that much different than an Xbox or a playstation.

All I know is that when I am using a xbox I don't catch myself saying "This is just like a wii!".

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What? No. They have good exclusive titles, they aren't the best. But I guess that is subjective anyways. Mario and Zelda are fantastic...but I don't think Galaxy and the never-releasing Skyward Sword quite compete with the library of God of War, Heavy Rain, Uncharted, Infamous, Team ICO, Resistance, Gran Turismo, etc etc...
I disagree. I'm far more interested in Zelda and Mario over any of the other games you mention.
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Anyways, they are no longer significantly different. In fact, PS3 and XBox now offer everything the Wii offers, PLUS everything else it doesn't.
When will PS3 have Mario Kart?
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And despite what Nintendo will make you think, they have always been behind in the graphics department. Go back to 1995 and 1996. "We have 64-bit! The competition only has 32-bit!" You tell me which had better graphics, Nintendo 64 or PSone? I'll believe it when I see it.
Who cares about Nintendo 64? Are you saying that Nintendo is somehow incapable of purchasing the hardware that Microsoft or Sony use for their stuff? You do realize that modern consoles are just standardized computers that buy most of the parts from other companies?

Nintendo chose not to compete on graphics with the Wii. They are now because most people have HDTV now.

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Right. When you're using Kinect, you're stating "This is just like a wii....except with better graphics, better online capabilities, and I don't have to buy a separate machine! I can do it all in one!"
Cool. I'll go pickup Mariokart for the Xbox later today and I can sell my Wii.

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I'm telling you that in the past, when Nintendo has said they would compete in the graphics department, they failed. That is what I'm saying.
Oh, you mean the one time they said it back in the 90s? Well, how could they ever overcome that!

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Do you think everyone is as brand loyal as you apparently are?
I'm not brand loyal. You are telling me that the Wii isn't unique at all. I'm ready to ditch it. I was just sticking with the Wii because I could play games there that I couldn't on my xbox. If the Wii isn't unique that's not an issue any more.

You could just admit that the Wii is unique and always will be. Xbox/Playstation are mostly the same but the Wii is a completely different experience and it's more than just the fact that the controller can detect you moved it.

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I don't remember that but whatever. In fact, I remember the gamecube was specifically marketed as a fun gaming machine that was better on gameplay and didn't rely on graphics.

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I don't understand why you keep bringing the motion control factor up as being unique...you do know what Move and Kinect are...yes?
I'm saying that the Wii is unique for more reasons than simply having motion control. You act like the Wii is only popular because it knew you moved your arm. It was a lot more than that.

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What? No. They have good exclusive titles, they aren't the best. But I guess that is subjective anyways. Mario and Zelda are fantastic...but I don't think Galaxy and the never-releasing Skyward Sword quite compete with the library of God of War, Heavy Rain, Uncharted, Infamous, Team ICO, Resistance, Gran Turismo, etc etc...
I disagree. I'm far more interested in Zelda and Mario over any of the other games you mention.

You liking them more doesn't mean Wii's exclusive library is objectively better.


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You liking them more doesn't mean Wii's exclusive library is objectively better.
Of course. It's an opinion. However, I would guess that most people would agree though that the Mario and Zelda franchises are better properties than the God Of War and Team ICO ones.

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If only the Move and Kinect would follow Nintendo's gimmick and release titles worth a shit for their motion accessories. I don't think there's anything other than Dance Central worth buying for Kinect and, other than a Star Wars game they've hardly released any information on, there isn't much in the pipeline either. The Show only letting you use the Move for home run derby is a waste too.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Playstation Move and XBox Kinect are basically the same thing as the Wii controller. IMU is correct; the Wii is no longer unique.
Wow. Wii must have really gotten a lot better if it's not that much different than an Xbox or a playstation.

All I know is that when I am using a xbox I don't catch myself saying "This is just like a wii!".


That's not what I said. Playstation Move and XBox Kinect are very, VERY similar to the technology of Nintendo Wii's motion controller.


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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
That's not what I said. Playstation Move and XBox Kinect are very, VERY similar to the technology of Nintendo Wii's motion controller.
You said the Wii wasn't unique. That means they are basically the same.

I mean, when you break it down to "technology" then my cell phone and my xbox are similar.

I find the experience of using a Wii to be significantly different than an xbox or playstation even with the motion technology.

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Seems to me like IMU is working from the Fanboy/hardcore gamer angle and BRick is pointing out that marketing to the correct target is the key to the Wii's success, which it is.

The Wii is a great system for parties and whatnot, and their core selection of games reflect that.

I picked up a PS3 because when I was in the market for a new system (3 years ago), it had the exclusive title that I was most interested in.

IMU, it would probably be best to admit you're in over your head here, and that you're just being a fanboy who can't accept that people are choosing a system that you do not.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
That's not what I said. Playstation Move and XBox Kinect are very, VERY similar to the technology of Nintendo Wii's motion controller.
You said the Wii wasn't unique. That means they are basically the same.

I mean, when you break it down to "technology" then my cell phone and my xbox are similar.

I find the experience of using a Wii to be significantly different than an xbox or playstation even with the motion technology.


I think we are saying the same thing, Rick. Correct; the Wii is not unique anymore because the whole "motion controller gimmick" now also exists on Xbox and Playstion. While the finer details of camera/controller/appearance are different, the idea remains the same: you move, game notices this, game reacts to it.

Like you, I've played both the Wii and Kinect. With the obvious exception of holding a controller vs not holding one, the premise is still the same. Hence, the Wii is no longer unique.


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They may all have some type of motion sensing technology but the wii is still unique. It's been that way since the 80s. It's not going to change because Sony copied them and Microsoft created something different but with a similar goal. You claimed IMU was right, but I was never doubting that Sony and Microsoft had motion sensing technology. I was doubting that it made the Wii no longer unique. I know I get a completely different experience when using the Wii vs. my xbox. It doesn't feel the same to me. Therefore, the Wii is still unique to me.

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