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 Post subject: Re: The OAF!!!!!!!!!
PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:46 pm 
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Youre just mad now.

Im not even disagreeing with you

I couldnt find the career splits. As I said, ESPN only shows the last three years.

In his last three years (which is generally accepted as the period to project a player going forward) april was his second worst month.


But his biggest homerun months are May June July and August.

I believe he'll warm up with the weather.

I'm not mad, I'm just watching you argue against raw data which seems foolish. Someone said he was a slow starter, that is far from the truth. I'm confident that his last three years average is affected by 1/3rd of those numbers being from this year in which he is showing significant decline from his average. But don't let logic slow your roll!
I agree that he'll heat up eventually, but I am almost positive that his power numbers will be down considerably when the year shakes out. He's 31 and there's no Roid Prime coming any more. We're moving back to reality when players peak in their late 20s again. Also, he's facing MUCH better pitching now.
162 game average (we know he won't play 162 games but that's how the math works out) 39 HR and 183k... I'd bet on less than 32 homers and over 200k this year.

2009 April numbers....
BA .310

OBP .467

SLG .606

OPS 1.073

Admittedly the numbers are lower this year and last (which were not as bad as this year), but the data do not suggest a slow started, with the exception of this year and last, and last year was not far off really.
Your 3 year average is slanted by this years extremely poor start.

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 Post subject: Re: The OAF!!!!!!!!!
PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:57 pm 
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Im not disagreeing with you.

Im saying earlier when i agreed with the op who said he was a slow starter, I was going off the three year average

I STILL cant find his total career splits on ESPN.com

But the ones you posted seem to indicate that the op who said he was a slow starter is a lying degenearate loser...and i shouldnt have agreed on limited data



Interesting to note: The cubs have had a run of great defensive 1B since 88. One of the 3 years they had marginal defense (Karros, Choi, Simon ) they came closer to the WS than any of the GGer years.


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 Post subject: Re: The OAF!!!!!!!!!
PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:05 pm 
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Im not disagreeing with you.

Im saying earlier when i agreed with the op who said he was a slow starter, I was going off the three year average

I STILL cant find his total career splits on ESPN.com

But the ones you posted seem to indicate that the op who said he was a slow starter is a lying degenearate loser...and i shouldnt have agreed on limited data

Interesting to note: The cubs have had a run of great defensive 1B since 88. One of the 3 years they had marginal defense (Karros, Choi, Simon ) they came closer to the WS than any of the GGer years.

Screw ESPN stats, you're wasting your time there, get on Baseballreference.com because it lets you sort and do multiple queries such as the one I posted the other day (Carlos Pena is 18th on a list of 40HR players with the fewest career HR's).
You'll do a lot better there, seriously.
The Cubs came close to the WS those years the same way the Sox won theirs, on the backs of overwhealming starting pitching. I think the Cubs had four starters over 200 innings and all of them won at least 13 games.
Mark Prior thre 211 innings
Matt Clement had 201 innings.
Kerry Wood threw 211 innings
Carlos Zambrano had 214 innings.
And Shawn Estes had like 154 and 8 wins... :|
That was a terrible defensive team if I recall? Not sure how to collate the team defensive stats.

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 Post subject: Re: The OAF!!!!!!!!!
PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:12 pm 
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Yeah i use baseball reference at home. at work its slower for sone reason ESPN is lightning quick


In 03 they were solid defensively up the middle. (Miller, Grudz, Gonzales :evil: patterson/lofton)


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:23 pm 
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Yeah i use baseball reference at home. at work its slower for sone reason ESPN is lightning quick


In 03 they were solid defensively up the middle. (Miller, Grudz, Gonzales :evil: patterson/lofton)


"You have got to be strong up the middle" / Hawk, Every old baseball guy ever

Sosa was quite questionable in the field (though he never got moved to 1st :wink: ). I remember MoistHands Alou being pretty solid, as per usual. I think that Gonzo Defense was what ultimately cost them their bid wasn't it??? :lol: (oh christ how I tire of them blaming Bartman).

But yeah, I think that it was nearly exclusively the starting pitching that made that team as good as it was, which when looked at as a team that was barely over .500 and only a game ahead of the 'Stros doesn't really look that great. They really only managed to beat Atlanta, which most teams seem to do in the postseason when matched up against them. I've said it again and again, excellent pitching wins seasons, excellent d and hitting win post seasons.

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