No, you did not. Very first sentence of this great thread you started is:

15 words in and you already post a bunch of your typical dumbass crap. Wrong sir, you are wrong.

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Juan Pierre was acquired before the 2010 season for John Ely and Jon Link (basically nothing). So far the Sox have paid him $0 for the 2010 and $5M for this season… not bad. I'm not a huge fan of Pierre, but he's good enough value for what they've paid him.
Alexei Ramirez signed in 2008. If he plays out his entire contract with the team, he'll be here for 9 years and cost about $48M… and they can opt out of the last year ($10M) for $1M. So 9 years for $48M or 8 years for $38M. Not bad for a solid hitting and gold glove fielding shortstop.
Carlos Quentin was acquired before the 2008 season for Chris Carter (again…nothing). Though this season, the Sox will pay him a little more than $9M…for 4 years.
Omar Vizquel is old, but he's still about as good as it gets for a 4th infielder… $3M over 2 years.
He's might not admit it openly, but I'm pretty sure Kenny didn't really want Rios. But, objectively speaking, I don't think he's far from living up to his contract. Sure, he sucked when he got here in 40 games in 2009, but last year he was solid. Gold glove center field, solid bat. If he comes around this year and ends up with a typical year for him, I don't think I can call this a bad move even though it wasn't what Kenny wanted to do. Although I am a big fan of defense so I might be placing a little too much value on that, but whatever.
Matt Thornton was acquired for Joe Borchard (pile of garbage). He only been one of the best left handed setup guys in baseball for 4 years.
If there was a recent trade I'd like to have back, it would probably be the Edwin Jackson deal. It was pretty much even and far as production, but I'd rather have the younger, cheaper guy (Hudson). But overall I'd give this deal a "meh"…nothing lost, nothing gained.
Of course there's the obvious ones like Danks (about $11M for his 5 years), Floyd (under $9M for his 4 years) signed through 2013 for $16M total for '12 and '13.
Jesse Crain's a pretty high priced acquisition for a reliever. But if you're already writing off Dunn as garbage, then this has to be a absolutely great signing for just over $4M.
I think Teahen blows, but $12.5M for 3 years for what should have been a stop gap average starting 3rd baseman isn't what I'd call a massive failure.
Then there's Peavy. I didn't particularly care for this deal when it was done, but whatever. So far, not so good. This guy pretty must needs to be all star caliber the rest of his contract to make this a success. It might happen, it might not. But giving up "talent" that you'll never use to get a 28 year old Cy Young talent...even with the high contract (not many cheap Cy Young award winners out there), isn't something I can call stupid. Again, as of right now, this isn't a good deal. But you can't call this a failure til it's all said and done.
And Dunn, I don't even see how you can already call this a failure. The guy's played 2 months. Sure, the contract is big, but it's pretty much what you pay a guy that does what he does. I don't really think he overpaid. It's a four year contract…that's pretty minimal anyway. Once again, we'll see how this one turns out but I absolutely can't call this one a failure yet. Definitely not this early.
Also, there's plenty of 1 to 2 year acquisitions done to "fill out the roster" and the free agents that were on the White Sox that he didn't sign. There's good and bad there, but you'd be hard pressed to find something on that list that you can say cost the team anything of significance.
To say that Kenny doesn't deal like he used to is just plain wrong. Was Peavy available 7 years ago? No, who says he wouldn't do the same deal then? He does what he thinks gives the team the best chance to win that year. Spend big when you have it because your other players are locked up for good value, or save money, whatever fits that year. He adapts. I think he's a good GM that takes his share of risks and his successes far outweigh his failures. He’s been doing it the same way for years and I expect nothing to change… which is fine with me.

You forgot to log in as sinicalypse.

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Yeah. After I typed it, I was actually considering posting it as a quote from him.

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You clearly don't get the point of the original post. In past years, Kenny made his deals WITHOUT assuming huge contracts in the deal made. Often, the team dealing with Kenny even picked up part of the deal in place for the player Kenny was aquiring. But of late, with the trade for Peavy, the waiver claim of Rios, the free agent aquisition of Dunn and the trade for Jackson, he took on a lot of salary. None of these deals included anyone helping out with the salaries due to Jackson, Peavy or Rios. The manner in which he has operated previously, included many hits and misses on players and to be fair I would say a lot more hits than the average GM would be able to claim. But with all the salary hikes that these more recent moves have caused, the team has much less flexibility finacially and it would be next to impossible to move the contracts of Peavy, Rios or Dunn today.

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Yeah, just like those trades for Dye and Hernandez. Right steve??

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While teams all over Baseball (with rare exception) are paring payroll, Kenny has significantly increased payroll even where it wasn't really needed. It sure looked like Viciedo was ready to make the move to the major leagues full time by the end of 2010. But kenny not only brought back Konerko, but goes out and signs Dunn as well. That of course left no opening for Viciedo, unless Pierre were to sit and Viciedo were to move into an outfield spot, which Ozzie seems reluctant to do. Guillen has stated many times that he has a lot of confidence in Pierre and how hard it is to get a leadoff hitter, so Pierre is likely to remain in the lineup. The injury during spring training to Viciedo could not be predicted so thats a non-issue. Right now, the Sox would be better on the field as well as financially speaking, if Dunn was not signed and the DH spot was instead given to Viciedo. A huge waste of money.

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I absolutely understand your point. But like I said, you're point is incorrect. Kenny HAS made deals in the past WITHOUT assuming huge contracts. He's also done that recently. He's also signed players to HUGE contracts in the past AND recently. You're just ignoring the facts of the past to fit your argument and basing EVERYTHING on 3 players.
Besides, it's not the job of the GM to financially screw people over and "win" every single deal they make with regards to the bottom line. It's his job to put the best team possible on the field with the budget he has. If that budget seems larger than you think, then it's safe to assume they had more money than you thought. I'm pretty sure Kenny Williams has a better knowledge of the White Sox budget and it's flexibility than you or any of us do.

I don't think you can classify the Dunn signing as a bad signing. First, it is too ealry into it to say Dunn will be a complete bust. $56 over 4 years is a decent deal for a guy with Dunn's track record. The Sox needed an upgrade at DH after they had Andruw Jones and Mark Kotsay there last year. if you are able to get a guy with Dunn's track record for that price you take it.

But if you have a guy like Viciedo that you want to get into the lineup, why sign Dunn??? That only blocks Viciedo's path to a full time spot in the lineup. Whats the point of signing and developing players to play in the big-leagues, if you are going to waste money signing other players to play ahead of them when they get to the point of being ready to play at the big-leage level?? Doesn't it make more sense to go with the FAR lower priced Viciedo and save tens of millions that could be used in other more prudent ways?

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Because in the off-season it was believed Dunn>Viciedo.

Still probably is.

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Because perhaps, captain dumbass, that Kenny is going to trade somebody and then The Tank would come up to take their place?

I can't believe you can be this baseball stupid yet run your own business.

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Damn. I'm sorry. I didn't think....

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So you are questioning resigning Paul Konerko (who is looking like he is going to have another huge year) because the White Sox have a kid in his early 20s in the minors and wondering why Kenny would want to bring in a left handed power hitter after last year? Dunn is currently in a slump but he will most likely be better than Dayan Viciedo at this point. Futhermore, Carlos Q is more than movable at this point.

You are trying to hard, go focus on the Cubs, they have enough problems as it is.

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" THis poster said it's 90% that Bernstein goes national. He put a percentage on it. " - Beardown

Who is he gonna trade???? Nobody would take Rios and that ridiculous contract...hell, he isn't even starting all the time, now that Lillibridge is taking playing time from him. Nobody would want Pierre, and Ozzie is firmly in Pierre's corner anyway. He THINKS Pierre is a good leadoff hitter. If you are even thinking of trading Quentin, you have indeed had the labotomy many suspect you have undergone. Gonna deal Konerko...the teams leading hitter and fan favorite?? How about the idea that you signed Dunn, with the idea of then trading him to open up a slot for Viciedo??? DUMBASS....there is no opening and the idea that he will be able to make a deal to open up a spot is laughable.

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People would take Quentin. One of the 6 viable starting pitchers the Sox have are tradeable. For the right deal, Kenny would absolutely ship off Gordon Beckham. Viciedo himself might get traded.

Shall I go on and continue to prove that you are dumber than a pile of dirty underwear?

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Quentin is a commodity that you should sell high on...too much of an inconsistent past. Someone will be dumb enough to take him for some pitching or something.

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Dunn was a proven commodity, Viciedo was not. Reinsdorf gave the ok to raise the payroll, Kenny goes out and signs the guy with the track record.

WTF are you talking about? Do you really think this?.... seriously?

Trying too hard...2 O's not one.

Would I have signed Konerko....No... Is he having a great season...yes-far better than I would have guessed he would be having. But the problem with his contract is not the 2011 season on the deal. It's the 2012 &13 seasons. Maybe he's found the HGH fountain of youth or something, but players that age generally fall off and I would have been reluctant to give ANYONE that age more than a 1-2 year deal. Dunn, I never would have signed. I don't like incomplete players. Dunn is a defensive liability, whether in the outfield or at 1st base. For that reason, as well as my opinion that Viciedo was ready to fill a regular spot in the lineup, I would have gone in that direction and saved the club a lot of money. At the same time, it would not only give the youngster a chance to take over a spot he is ready to claim, it also would allow the team greater financial flexibility to fill holes at crucial points (trade deadline) when a need is identified.

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Christ are you stupid.

Rios was off yesterday. And off on May 18th. Then you have to go back to April to find his last off day
http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/gamelog/_ ... /alex-rios


Why don't you call into B&B and say that Lillibridge is taking playing time from Rios. Instead of calling Mac's show who does nothing but lick your sack, call B&B and let them berate you for our entertainment.

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Yep and with each outstanding catch Lillibridge makes...each big hit he gets and each shitty game Rios plays, there will be more to come. The Rios waiver claim was an epic fail.

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Steve, please. Ozzie has given veterans a day off before an off day a LOT of times. That way they have 2 days in a row off, you see? This is very common for him and he had done this since he started managing in '04.

You should just quit now because you are making yourself look dumber and dumber with each post in this thread. You are sinking to depths that even you haven't quite touched yet.

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The first sentence is just idiotic. You wouldn't resign one of the better hitters in the mlb who is a great team leader and replace him with a 20 year old kid who is still not proven in the majors.

Of course, Konerko took a backloaded contract that defer's a large amount, which makes this essentially a non-issue, but Kenny is a big idiot. I know its hard for you to understand that an African American man is far more intelligent than you, seeing as you suffer from some kind of narcissistic personality disorder... but you should just stop now. Go argue Sandberg vs Quade like a good Cubs meatball.

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" THis poster said it's 90% that Bernstein goes national. He put a percentage on it. " - Beardown

No, I would rather part with a great player a year early and NOT be stuck with him a year or two past the time he can really contribute significantly. I think that if he gets the everyday playing time Viciedo will prove to be a better VALUE than Konerko, over the rest of Konerko's contract. When a young player shows he is ready to take on an everyday role on a team, that team is foolish to block his path. If they felt they needed to retain Konerko...fine. Then they shouldn't have signed Dunn and they could have let Viciedo DH. But to re-sign Konerko AND sign Dunn .....foolish.

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Yup, you sure are.

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Frank stop picking on the handicapable kid.

It's bad form.

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