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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:17 pm 
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Rick will probably know if this applies to that guy, but usually when profiling prospects if one of his Strengths is "playing both guard spots" it means he can't play either effectively. Especially if it's not a russel Westbrook-type prospect.

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That was a Rick joke. Although turner slightly redeemed himself towards the end, it's completely obvious John wall is a much more talented NBA player. Hopefully he doesn't go the route of agent zero or Stevie franchise


i thought of that after i posted but i think it's disappointing how little impact he had in his first year. i'd like to see him improve like he did down the stretch...he'll have to work on some things. like...everything.


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 Post subject: Re: NBA Draft
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Rick will probably know if this applies to that guy, but usually when profiling prospects if one of his Strengths is "playing both guard spots" it means he can't play either effectively. Especially if it's not a russel Westbrook-type prospect.
I don't see him playing PG. He's not fast enough. I guess I could see him helping to bring the ball up but if he's going to be a good NBA player it's not at PG.

Don't take it as me saying he will be anywhere close to as good as Paul Pierce, but I think that's kind of how he plays. He has an unorthodox style.

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 Post subject: Re: NBA Draft
PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:23 pm 
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One of the mock drafts I looked at recently had the Bulls taking Butler guard Shelvin Mack. His NBA comparison: Ben Gordon.

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 Post subject: Re: NBA Draft
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That was a Rick joke. Although turner slightly redeemed himself towards the end, it's completely obvious John wall is a much more talented NBA player. Hopefully he doesn't go the route of agent zero or Stevie franchise


i thought of that after i posted but i think it's disappointing how little impact he had in his first year. i'd like to see him improve like he did down the stretch...he'll have to work on some things. like...everything.


I get your point but I'd like to see him specialize in one thing this summer. Lock him up in a gym with Coach Thorpe. He could end up falling by the wayside if he continues the "jack of all trades, master of none" route. He needs an unguardable skill to bring the rest of his game together.

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 Post subject: Re: NBA Draft
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One of the mock drafts I looked at recently had the Bulls taking Butler guard Shelvin Mack. His NBA comparison: Ben Gordon.


Ben Gordon??? :lol:

Maybe Anthony Carter or something

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http://www.nbadraft.net/players/shelvin-mack

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NBA Comparison: Ben Gordon

Strengths: Instant offense type of shooter/scorer at the lead guard position …Very composed. Always on balance, never seems to rush things. Good pace to his game. Plays smart, values the basketball … Aggressive scorer with a crafty offensive game. Really knows how to create shots and has a strong one on one game. Good shot selection … Can knock opponents off balance and uses hesitation moves extremely well to create shots with opponents falling off balance and out of his way … Strong jump shooter and mid-range game with a strong ability to create shots for himself off the dribble … Beautiful shooting motion with excellent lift, a smooth, quick release and excellent overall form … Has the physique of an NBA linebacker with huge shoulders and a barrel chest and uses his excellent body strength to his advantage … Great strength allows him to absorb contact and finish around the rim … Strength also gives him deep range and the ability to shoot with the same accuracy late in games … Equally adept at spotting up or pulling up for shots off the dribble ... Huge wingspan allows him to finish at the rim and play bigger than 6’2 … Handles the ball extremely well. A strong defender that anticipates well and uses his strength to wear down and frustrate smaller guards … Strong on the break ... Has good speed when he gets a head of steam. Solid decision maker in transition …

Weaknesses: Solid athlete though nothing extraordinary. Lacks tremendous leaping ability … Lacks great blow by speed off the dribble … More of a scorer than a true point guard. Was not responsible for being the team’s primary point guard (Ronald Nored) … Vision and passing ability are below average for a point guard … Showing that he can be more of a full time lead guard and is capable of running the show would increase his value … Should look to increase his a/to ratio (1.46)… Playing at a mid-major, it’s tougher to prove his talent on a consistent basis … A year old for his class as he will turn 22 before the 2011 draft ... Could be on a long learning curve at the next level due to his inexperience playing the PG position, which could result in being traded a few times before finding his game (ala Chauncey Billups)

Notes: The answer to the puzzle of Butler's 2010 NCAA tourney success ... Showed that he’s capable of hanging with the NCAA elite helping Gordon Hayward and Butler reach the title game with an impressive performance in the NCAA tourney … Is sure to take on a much bigger role in the offense with Hayward no longer on the team … A player that scouts are high on. Projected as a late first/early second round pick …

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 Post subject: Re: NBA Draft
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From what I've seen of Mack this is accurate -- Always on balance, never seems to rush things. Good pace to his game. Plays smart, values the basketball.

The opposite is true for Ben Gordon. But Ben Gordon has alot more talent than Mack does IMO

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So do you think Mack has a future in the NBA?

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 Post subject: Re: NBA Draft
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So do you think Mack has a future in the NBA?


Definitely. Anthony Carter has had a good career so far. I just don't view him as any sort of difference maker. Ben Gordon can be a difference maker in one game.

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 Post subject: Re: NBA Draft
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It looks like the Cavaliers have already made up their minds regarding who they are taking with the #1 overall pick Thursday in Newark. Sources say that Cleveland's drafting Duke point guard Kyrie Irving with the top pick, but the Cavs' pick at #4 is very much up for grabs.


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 Post subject: Re: NBA Draft
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I like Derrick Williams more as a prospect but Irving should be the first pick

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K.C. Johnson on Bulls draft

Out of all of those players mentioned in the article, I think I'd like them to take Justin Harper.
Does anyone have a link of who the Bulls have worked out?

And I pray that this is the last time Vince Carter will be mentioned with the Bulls.


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K.C. Johnson on Bulls draft

Out of all of those players mentioned in the article, I think I'd like them to take Justin Harper.
Does anyone have a link of who the Bulls have worked out?

And I pray that this is the last time Vince Carter will be mentioned with the Bulls.

Truth be told, the Bulls have been tight lipped regarding who has worked out among the college prospects. Neither head coach Tom Thibodeau nor General Manager Gar Forman have told anyone a thing about who they have in mind.


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Thanks, just making sure I didn't suck at searching the internet.


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And I pray that this is the last time Vince Carter will be mentioned with the Bulls.

Oh god. If this was going to happen I would almost pray for a lockout to wipe out the entire season.

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 Post subject: Re: NBA Draft
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According to espn the spurs are shopping Tony Parker for a lottery pick right now

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I just don't see Irving being that good at the next level. Maybe I'm blind and missing something but I'm just not seeing as a #1 pick.

Williams will be a great second option for most teams and will develop into a nice player. He's like Jamison to me. very athletic, capable to play 3/4. I don't think there are any stars in the draft.

The guy that has got bust written all over him? Kanter. Big man with slow feet = death at the NBA level.


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 Post subject: Re: NBA Draft
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And Kanter has the best workouts of anyone. Just like Milicic, not far from Thabeet. But I don't think he'll be that bad.

The problem is there is no safe star picks. Like Chad Ford said, he's not remotely sure about anyone's all star potential, they all have big flaws.

I think Irving is the safest pick on the board. But I disagree with anyone saying he'll be a top tier PG. Williams thinks he's a SF and with the right coaching and team he could turn into a great PF. But he's too foot slow to guard 3's.

Brandon Knight has the highest ceiling of any guard IMO. Much lower floor than Kyrie though

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The guy I am interested in seeing how he pans out (part because he;'s local) is Iman Sumpert. He's gotten some rave reviews from the combine and has great size to play the point.


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 Post subject: Re: NBA Draft
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And Kanter has the best workouts of anyone. Just like Milicic, not far from Thabeet. But I don't think he'll be that bad.


Isn't Kanter working out against a chair in his workouts? I thought the last questions marks were who he really battled in his workout and the fact that he has pretty much sat the last two years were big question marks.


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And Kanter has the best workouts of anyone. Just like Milicic, not far from Thabeet. But I don't think he'll be that bad.


Isn't Kanter working out against a chair in his workouts? I thought the last questions marks were who he really battled in his workout and the fact that he has pretty much sat the last two years were big question marks.


I just go by actual experts who attend the combine. Chad ford's job 365 days a year is to judge amateur's prospects in the NBA. Him and a few others have said just based on all the physical attributes and yeah the hilarious chair workouts made famous by Yi, he would be the #1 pick. But the Yi, Darko, Thabeet, etc makes many doubtful for the same reasons you suggested. Many trust live game film over crossing over a chair on an empty court.

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And Kanter has the best workouts of anyone. Just like Milicic, not far from Thabeet. But I don't think he'll be that bad.


Isn't Kanter working out against a chair in his workouts? I thought the last questions marks were who he really battled in his workout and the fact that he has pretty much sat the last two years were big question marks.


I just go by actual experts who attend the combine. Chad ford's job 365 days a year is to judge amateur's prospects in the NBA. Him and a few others have said just based on all the physical attributes and yeah the hilarious chair workouts made famous by Yi, he would be the #1 pick. But the Yi, Darko, Thabeet, etc makes many doubtful for the same reasons you suggested. Many trust live game film over crossing over a chair on an empty court.

I agree with you - isn't the issue that he has no game film from the last few years because he was ineligible this year at UK and the year before sat on the bench for a euro team?


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Yeah every year there's a few in the bunch. It's 2011, if your best scouting tapes are composed of 35 second Zapruder-esque clips, you obviously weren't good enough for anyone with money to go see you

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Got to think if the Bulls keep both first rounders, they go Euro with one of the picks assuming they will stay in Europe for a few years.


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I definitely don't know much about foreign prospects, but from everything I've seen and read whoever gets Motiejunas has the best chance of a diamond in the rough. If the Bulls cant get an offensively skilled 2 I agree with you that projects are the way to go this year

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I definitely don't know much about foreign prospects, but from everything I've seen and read whoever gets Motiejunas has the best chance of a diamond in the rough. If the Bulls cant get an offensively skilled 2 I agree with you that projects are the way to go this year

If Shumpert is available at 28, I'm all for grabbing him. Selby is alright, but they don't need another 6'3" guard.


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I wouldn't want Selby at all. Will he be any different than Watson?

If JJJ from Purdue, Trey Thompkins or Kyle Singler are around I'd look at all of them in those two spots also. I'm pretty sure Johnson won't make it past Boston or Dallas at 25 and 26 though.

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Weaknesses: Lacks great blow


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Mack couldn't have played in the League 30 years ago...


I'd take Mack. I think he could add something to the team fairly quickly which I think is rare for such a low pick.

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I wouldn't want Selby at all. Will he be any different than Watson?

If JJJ from Purdue, Trey Thompkins or Kyle Singler are around I'd look at all of them in those two spots also. I'm pretty sure Johnson won't make it past Boston or Dallas at 25 and 26 though.

Singler is the guy you play in a pickup game who looks like he has no game...starts to score on your so you punch him in the nuts.


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