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If there are no plans to send them back down you do. It's not like Beckham was called up to give him a few games at this level. He came up with the idea that he'd never be in the minors again. Starlin Castro is no longer a prospect either.

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Well I guess our definitions vary.

To me they are a prospect til they have a proven track record.

Usually around 3 years.

They are still young raw players, just because they are at the MLB level doesnt mean that they will stay the same players for ever. There is still room for change for young players, either good or bad, it doesnt matter if they are in the big leagues or not.

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I guess Evan Turner is no longer a prospect

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110124&content_id=16493480&c_id=mlb


You can't be a MLB player for 2.5 years and still be a prospect.

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Really?

So Rookie= Prospect?

I remember watching Greg Maddux suck it up for a few years thinking this guy is a prospect, I hope he gets better.

Anyone here know what Ryne Sandberg's OPS+ was in his first two seasons?

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A prospect = Prospect. A prospect is not a player who has clearly made a major league roster and is highly unlikely to return to the minors. If a rookie plays the whole season and then is a lock for the roster the next year they aren't a prospect. The very definition of product indicates as such.

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Patterson spent 2+ seasons in the minors........and none in college. Age matters in this discussion.

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beckham is going to be a decent 2nd baseman with his glove and a below average hitter. i see this over hyped turd being an 8 hitter or 9th with little power and too many k's..probably a career 245 hitter

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Are you saying Kenny should get Jim Frey on the phone?

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I still read your posts expecting you to argue with me. I have to read it a few times to make sure you aren't.

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Yeah, so he can tell Beckham it's time he learned how to turn on a fastball. I can't believe a Cub fan is citing the bitter full of shit Steve Stone!

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I disagree.


pros·pect/ˈpräsˌpekt/
Noun: The possibility or likelihood of some future event occurring.


The future event for the Beckhams and Pattersons of the world is being a star player. Until they approach that or bust out, they are prospects.

Not really arguing with anyone in particular, but it needs to be said that age the age of, say 20, both of these guys were in different places, but both could be considered "prospects" at the time. Patterson was just getting paid, Beckham wasn't (in theory ).

But tying this to the other thread (which is where this was born) - both players were hyped prospects at some point, both had huge expectations, but the length of time that they were considered 'prospects" seems to be the main argument. Seems kinda silly.

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.683 and .666

He would never go below .700 the rest of his career.

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Ok, then it's agreed - both are no longer "prospects".

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can not really compare beckham n sandberg...sandberg could steal and hit for power ...beckham can't

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So, technically every player is a prospect?

A MLB prospect means that you have the chance to make the MLB and stick around and be a success. At least that's how I look at it. By your thoughts, it seems like you think that Adam Dunn is a prospect because he may be a star in the future.

I'll stick with the mlb.com definition of a prospect. You can use yours which is basically "any player who isn't a star but may be".

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Don't you mean Kevin Orie?

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I'm pretty sure those numbers work out to OPS+ of less than Beckham's current number of around 90. For whatever that's worth. I wouldn't send Beckham to the minors just yet.

Anyway, I heard li'l danny say he had adjusted his expectations for Beckham down to the point where he'd consider him good if he hit .850.

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How much power was Sandberg hitting for in his first two seasons? And stolen bases are the most overrated thing in all of sports. I don't want anyone on my team stealing anything.

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No, once they reach star status, like making an allstar game, they are no longer prospects.

After 3 or 4 years, they are what they are. Some guys rise quick and you can remove the prospect tag early.



Thats not at all what I said. It makes no sense and has nothing to do with what I wrote.

What makes a someone a prospect or not is not a black and white issue. I know you think everything is, but as is often the case, you're wrong.

JORR, are you using OPS+ for two players who played in different eras?

mlb.com did a really good job of making a usable definition of the term. I think if given the choice that most people would go with that over "hasn't made an all star team, not in the league more than 3 or 4 years".

A MLB player gets known pretty well by the end of the first full season.

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On Beckham's page on Baseball-reference.com the top similar batter is Blake DeWitt and no. 10 is Mike Fontenot.

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That's a bad list.

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i somewhat agree with ya on the sb being overrated....but speed can never hurt ya ...poor base running can but speed is an asset

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A prospect is a prospect until it becomes clear what he will be in the top level. . It usually takes a few years to determine that.



How well known the player is has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Tons of people know who Bryce Harper is.