Yes, but he wasn't close to the base when he caught it. It's a stupid random rule. You should have to be on the base like the rules say. The Cub offense alone, costs me on the Over.

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Nice. .500 baby! Gavin going for the sweep!

Well, that's a different argument. I suspect you might feel differently if you were a middle infielder making several million a year and trying to maintain your knees in good enough shape to keep earning that paycheck while runners attempted to take you out.

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BP Cup! BP Cup!

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Juan P ....Jermaine Dye like

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

So Garza lost a tough one,tough shit. He has pitched like shit most of the year anyway. Maybe with this performance,they can move another wasted big time salary.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Please. Neighborhood call is one thing...he was a foot off the bag...wasn't even close. Why else would a manager argue the call if it wasn't? Especially if the neighborhood play is as "accepted"as you indicate. It was a bad call. Period. Not the reason for the loss...but a bad call regardless. Shit happens...just admit it..

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Castro did the same thing a week ago, runner was called safe. That's why it's a terrible call.

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Maybe because he's a minor league manager in way over his fucking head. If you watch baseball, you've seen that play hundreds of times. The runner is always out.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Who gives a damn about the neighborhood play? They didn't score a run. They couldn't score a single run. that's why they lose.

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Not always - and that call was blown. But who gives a shit. The Cubs would have choked anyway. Least Q got his sorry ass on the field and argued.

This bullpen is looking really really good this year. If this pitching holds up and the hitting improves and the Sox make the playoffs they could be a sleeper team that makes a surprise run. Hell, look at what last year's winners did.

Not saying they are going to win the world series, but the Sox can have a huge second half.

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" THis poster said it's 90% that Bernstein goes national. He put a percentage on it. " - Beardown

No, it wasn't. He doesn't have to touch the bag. It's pretty well accepted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighborhood_play

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They could but they won't.

They'll do what they've done in most years. Struggle in the second half and stay in the race just long enough to make me mad when they miss the playoffs.

JORR it was a missed call.

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Agreed, that was a terrible call. Ump totally blew it. Mr. Clean had a valid argument. Doubt the Cubs would have scored so it doesn't matter anyways.




This team is more talented than the last few years. They won in 2008 anyways. Plus the division is terrible. The Tigers pitching is way too sketchy (they gave up 15 runs today), and it looks like Martinez may be hurt.

Not saying its going to happen, just that it could. The pitching has been lights out, if it stays this good or close too it than good things can happen. No way Dunn keeps hitting like this. Beckham and Rios look like they are starting to get going.

We will see though.

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" THis poster said it's 90% that Bernstein goes national. He put a percentage on it. " - Beardown

I really can't believe I'm having this conversation with guys that watch as much baseball as some of you do. It was absolutely not a "blown call". It was the call that a huge percentage of umpires make a huge percentage of the time. The problem only comes in when some douchebag chooses to ignore tradition, history, and unwritten rules the way that Jerry Layne did in the playoffs. If you want to take issue with "unwritten rules" we can start with the strikezone which has never been called as the rules require during my entire lifetime.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Except he wasn't even in the area, he was two feet in front of the bag.

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It was a missed call.

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JORR is one of those that just has to argue. Or is it hubris?

Maybe I think you're the one that just has to argue.

It wasn't a missed call. It's the call that is made all the time. I've supported my argument as opposed to those of you who just keep repeating that "it's a missed call".

Quade was ridiculous. But he's a ridiculous minor league dope who is in a position where he shouldn't be and doesn't have the respect of his own team.

Let me give you an analogy. It's obviously against the rules of basketball to carry the ball. Yet on many drives to the hoop players routinely take more than the one and a half steps that are allowed. While it isn't mentioned in the rule book, it has become NBA custom. What Quade did is akin to an NBA coach running on the floor like a nut to argue that a guy traveled after taking three steps to score. Would you call that a "missed call"?

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

He crossed the bag going to get the ball. Are you suggesting that is usually called safe?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
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In baseball, a neighborhood play is a force play where a fielder receiving the ball in attempting to force out a runner at second base, catches and quickly throws the ball to first base in a double play attempt without actually touching second base, or by touching second base well before catching the ball. By every rules code, such a play is not an out, because to record a force out, the fielder with the ball must actually touch a force base before the forced runner arrives. In professional baseball, the umpires frequently call the play as an out, disregarding the strict application of the rule in favor of traditional practice.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

What's that famous line.."I know pornography when I see it".

At no point or version of the "neighborhood" play does the fielder ever jump off the bag, without the ball, towards first base and then catch the ball.

The closest thing to your arguement would be if you also call the first baseman (D. Lee is great at it) intentionally lunging off first base the neighborhood play.

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JORR I don't care about what is normally called. According to the rules the fielder has to maintain contact with the base until receiving the ball for a force out to be called. That clearly wasn't the case.

Just because its become common practice for unpires to assume an out took place rather than actually pay attention to what happened doesn't make it the correct call.

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One more thing, Peeps. It's not an issue of a guy making an assumption. It's allowed to prevent guys from getting injured on take-out slides. If Quade had walked out and said something like, "Hey, that was an awful lot of leeway you granted Beckham on that play, wasn't it?", it would have been one thing. But charging out screaming like a nut on a play that is customarily and routinely called exactly the way that one was made it seemed like he has never seen a game. Or that he was just trying to rev up his listless team. Either way, if they're going to change the way that play is called it needs to be universal and should probably decided at a meeting on rules rather than arbitrarily depending on how a particular umpire feels at a given moment.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

He didn't jump off the bag. He slid over it in the process of catching the ball. That's the very definition of the neighborhood play.

I would feel the same way if a Sox player had been called out. In fact, I doubt we would even be discussing it, because Guillen- a guy who played short for 17 big league seasons- would likely never have left the dugout. That play is only controversial if the runner is called safe, like the Aybar play in the playoffs.

If you guys are arguing that there shouldn't be unwritten rules, well, that's an entirely different topic. The strikezone is letters to knees. I can't remember when a letter high pitch was called for a strike. Is that a blown call? No, it's just the way things are done. The problem occurs when an official occasionally and arbitrarily decides to break with convention.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Yep. Each time the ref missed the call.

We will have to agree to disagree on this one my friend.

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JORR, did you happen to hear the announcers during the game? They also said - many times - that it was a bad call and that Quade was right.

Of course, one of those two announcers played many years in the big leagues, so he probably doesn't know anything about the neighborhood play either.

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I'm really not in the mood to read through the argument, but my understanding of the Neighborhood Play is that the out is basically given when the player is in the neighborhood but the ball is thrown to the point where an out would be a given. My opinion of the play yesterday was that Morel's throw was so far off, I wouldn't have given the out because it felt no different than when a wide throw comes into first and it drags the first baseman off the bag.

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