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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:51 am 
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A contract is not a contract when one side is allowed to back out anytime they want with no reprucussions.


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No one's getting pissed at Briggs for asking, it's because of his school-girl, hands on hips and stomping of his foot which came with his asking.

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Briggs has 3 years left on a contract that pays him about $15 Million over the next 3 years. For the love of God, what the hell is he bitching about?

He's bitching because he's underpaid compared to his peers. It's his and his agents fault for asking for six years though. I agree with Hov's stance

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I agree with HOVA

Owners can cut a player whenever the hell they want without any repercussions but lawd forbid a probowler asks for a raise when lesser players at his position are getting paid more than him. I have absolutely no problem with players getting all the money they can in the NFL. They are always one play away from a career ending injury and getting cut from the team.

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Yeah these contarcts should be more like baseball and basketball where all that money is guaranteed and when you suck ala Soriano, Dunn and about a hundred others the owners just have to fucking eat it and pay up. Fuck Briggs. Im guessing there some more child support on the way Lance? is Larry carrrying your baby perhaps? fucking douche.

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I agree with HOVA

Owners can cut a player whenever the hell they want without any repercussions but lawd forbid a probowler asks for a raise when lesser players at his position are getting paid more than him. I have absolutely no problem with players getting all the money they can in the NFL. They are always one play away from a career ending injury and getting cut from the team.

You guys act like he hasnt made any fucking money in his career so far and he's just getting ripped off. Boo fucking hoo for Briggs, choose another vocation thats going to pay you millions of dollars if you dont like the way the system is set up.

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So I hope none of you criticizing Briggs has EVER asked for more money/benefits/perks etc from your job. Also, I hope you would be okay with your employer firing you without any warning or documented cause. Fuck, some of you are scary dense.

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So I hope none of you criticizing Briggs has EVER asked for more money/benefits/perks etc from your job. Also, I hope you would be okay with your employer firing you without any warning or documented cause. Fuck, some of you are scary dense.

Gee here I was thinking that one of the cardinal rules around these parts is dont EVER compare yourself or your job to what these guys do because its just not the same. Scary dense indeed.

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So I hope none of you criticizing Briggs has EVER asked for more money/benefits/perks etc from your job. Also, I hope you would be okay with your employer firing you without any warning or documented cause. Fuck, some of you are scary dense.

Gee here I was thinking that one of the cardinal rules around these parts is dont EVER compare yourself or your job to what these guys do because its just not the same. Scary dense indeed.



:lol:

Okay, so you admit you were wrong? Cool.

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So I hope none of you criticizing Briggs has EVER asked for more money/benefits/perks etc from your job. Also, I hope you would be okay with your employer firing you without any warning or documented cause. Fuck, some of you are scary dense.

Gee here I was thinking that one of the cardinal rules around these parts is dont EVER compare yourself or your job to what these guys do because its just not the same. Scary dense indeed.



:lol:

Okay, so you admit you were wrong? Cool.

You shouldve quoted the post where I began with " If I tried to do this with my job Id be fired". Wouldve been a better argument.

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Depends on how many of you guys have an employment contract. Its the only way to compare.

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Nobody wanted him before, I doubt anybody will pay him more now as he is older.

Don't get me wrong he is a good player. I think he is overvaluing himself to the team and he is a dickwad. Didn't he pout and miss some workouts after he signed his contract last time? 3 years left is too early to start asking for another bump in salary.

I don't have a problem if they pay Forte.


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Is there something inherently wrong with a guy asking for a raise? If he was going to hold out with 3 years left on his deal that'd be an entirely different story. Yes he might be trying to leverage the Bears lack of LB depth into more money, but I'd bet most people have done that in their workplace before and he doesn't have the same protection that we do.

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Let him play out this season and see what happens. If he is going to bitch about his contract again and demand a trade then trade him. Its not like he is the youngest guy in the league. Its far better to get rid of someone a year early than it is a year late. If he is a pain in the ass while he is good one can only assume that he will be an even larger pain in the ass when he begins to decline.

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The system is perfect

If a player is good enough, his holdout will work, if he's not it wont.

Holdouts and cutting players are both just part of the system.


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The system is perfect

If a player is good enough, his holdout will work, if he's not it wont.

Holdouts and cutting players are both just part of the system.


He isn't holding out though. He is just talking. This is all for next off season isn't it?

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No but most people don't already have about 23 million of a 36 million dollar contract with 3 years left either. He's old and he is overvaluing himself. The run defense fell from top 5ish into the 20s in 09. Defense dropped from top 10 overall in to the mid or so teens. He wants to be paid like a really big boy then maybe that was his time to prove it. He is important to the defense but he isn't what makes that defense work and it showed.

I agree with UMN.

The money needs to go to improving the offense.


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No but most people don't already have about 23 million of a 36 million dollar contract with 3 years left either.


What does that matter? He's underpaid compared to others at his position.

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Is there something inherently wrong with a guy asking for a raise? If he was going to hold out with 3 years left on his deal that'd be an entirely different story. Yes he might be trying to leverage the Bears lack of LB depth into more money, but I'd bet most people have done that in their workplace before and he doesn't have the same protection that we do.

What protection do you think "we" have? Unless you are in a union most have little protection under Illinois law as it is an at-will state.

Traditionally, U.S. employers have possessed the right to discharge their employees at will for any reason, be it good or bad. The "at-will" category encompasses all employees who are not protected by express employment contracts that state that they may be fired only for good cause. "Good cause" requirements are typically a part of collective bargaining agreements negotiated by employee unions; nonunion workers rarely have this form of protection.

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Underpaid compared to who? It matter because most of his money was upfront.


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A contract is not a contract when one side is allowed to back out anytime they want with no reprucussions.



yup

People need to stop trying to equate NFL contracts to other contracts used in "real life".

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What does that matter? He's underpaid compared to others at his position.

The problem with this thinking is that salaries in pro sports typically rise every year. Thus someone who is viewed as a similar player will likely sign a larger contract than those from previous years. Does that make the previous signees underpaid? If so Briggs, Urlacher, Peppers, Cutler should line up every other year with their hands out.

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What does that matter? He's underpaid compared to others at his position.

The problem with this thinking is that salaries in pro sports typically rise every year. Thus someone who is viewed as a similar player will likely sign a larger contract than those from previous years. .


How is that different than yearly raises? I expect my salary to go up every year if I continue to perform. Obviously I don't have to deal with the x factor of having absolutely no job security that NFL players do with their 'contracts'

I'm not going to fault Briggs for trying to get a bump with 3 years left provided he doesn't hold out or it becomes a distraction

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Briggs has every right to ask and Angelo has every right to laugh at him and say no.


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This isn't basketball where one guy can make a HUGE difference to a team. Briggs has been a pro bowl player for almost a decade. That means he's one of the best LBers in the league. There are a lot of teams that would love to have his services. His problem last time around was most of the teams didn't have the cap money and the Bears wanted multiple 1st round picks to trade him. IIRC the 49ers and Redskins tried to make a deal with the Bears but Angelo backed out. Angelo like many of you here felt that Berrian should be a priority over Briggs. I was on the other side of that debate. It's a fact he was the Bears best defensive player for at least a couple seasons before Peppers came. The Bears have had a really good defense for about a decade now.

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Briggs has every right to ask and Angelo has every right to laugh at him and say no.


It's really that simple.

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This isn't basketball where one guy can make a HUGE difference to a team. Briggs has been a pro bowl player for almost a decade. That means he's one of the best LBers in the league. There are a lot of teams that would love to have his services. His problem last time around was most of the teams didn't have the cap money and the Bears wanted multiple 1st round picks to trade him. IIRC the 49ers and Redskins tried to make a deal with the Bears but Angelo backed out.

Didn't he get involved with the 49er's a little early in the free agency process, like tampering early, so 49er's backed out. IIRC that is one of the reasons he didn't get a deal done. He kind of screwed himself.


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This isn't basketball where one guy can make a HUGE difference to a team. Briggs has been a pro bowl player for almost a decade. That means he's one of the best LBers in the league. There are a lot of teams that would love to have his services. His problem last time around was most of the teams didn't have the cap money and the Bears wanted multiple 1st round picks to trade him. IIRC the 49ers and Redskins tried to make a deal with the Bears but Angelo backed out.

Didn't he get involved with the 49er's a little early in the free agency process, like tampering early, so 49er's backed out. IIRC that is one of the reasons he didn't get a deal done. He kind of screwed himself.


I believe so. Angelo and the Bears screamed tampering.

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Go ahead and throw a little extra cash his way. Briggs is their best LB in a very shallow LB crew. If it keeps him happy and keeps him making plays than I am all for it.

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Two words...Scottie Pippen. It wasn't long ago that Lance Briggs went on "SportsCenter" and basically told anyone who'd listen that he wouldn't play for the Bears again. That was right around the time he tested the free agent waters and got NO TAKERS or OFFERS as an unrestricted free agent! A deal is a deal, and Briggs should honor it and shut his mouth!


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