Seems beginning ND fandom in 86 was buying high

No. Kids dont give a shit about ND. The last time they were relevant kids weren't born yet.

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Yeah, all the cool kids are into the cool schools, like USC, Thee Ohio St. and The U. That's where all the green is.

Any day that ND loses is a good day.

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We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

i also have to admit i revel in their failures in football. lololol.

It's not likely. Virtually every advantage they had is gone. Soon, Comcast will put the final nail in the coffin for the last advantage by moving games to Versus.

This has been slowly happening for a while, and that's why the only one who has been able to win a national title there recently is a guy who put 3 teams on probation for things that happened under his watch.

Notre Dame used to be a national power because of these things:
1) More money than anyone else. That's gone now. They'd make more money if they joined the Big Ten now.
2) More exposure than anyone else. They still have this but other schools are catching up. Ohio State and Florida can promise recruits as much exposure as Notre Dame.
3) Tradition of winning. That's not really there and it's been gone for long enough that recruits don't really remember them being dominant.

They'll always be good but I think it's becoming harder to sell someone on Notre Dame. South Bend sucks as a town. The campus life is lame. They aren't in a conference, which means that the only goal can be to win a national title. Ohio State can sell conference championships and BCS games.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

and their pompous, arrogant "independent schedule" looks more ridiculous now, too, i think. join a damn conference already.

[quote="W_Z"]and their pompous, arrogant "independent schedule" looks more ridiculous now, too, i think.[//quote]
I say the same thing about Army, Navy, and BYU. The arrogance of them still having a schedule is appalling.

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Kelly looked like a total fool with his rage explosions. Save those for the practice field, you just make your team afraid to make a mistake when you lay into them. He looked like Todd Haley Jr.

Yeah no other college coaches ever light into guys on the sidelines.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Yeah no other college coaches look like fools on the sidelines

Notre Dame was the team that got me into college football in the first place. So it pains me to see them dragged so low. It used to be all about the money in the NBC deal, but as of last year, the BTN contributed more to each Big Ten school than ND got with it's NBC deal.

Secondly, it was you could consistently see some of the best football played. But now there is no school that does less with more star talent than Notre Dame. They consistently have very highly ranked recruiting classes and have little to show for it at the end of the season.

Finally, ND has always suggested it has a commitment to high academic standards for it's players. However the academic exceptions that started under Weiss and continue under Kelly are making ND just like any other football factory. Anyone who has heard Cierre Wood speak knows what I mean.

And it certainly doesn't help when you obstruct justice with the Declan incident and try to sweep a rape that led to a suicide under the carpet. I know I'm not the first one to say this, but it's now Notre Shame.

Yeah no more huge advantage.



Those rating systesm are extremely flawed. I dont think theyve had near the talent that those ratings would have you believe.



Thats been moot since Holtz. Chris Zorich got a fucking 560 on his SAT.





As awful as those two incidents were, I dont think its enough to undo all the tradition and good things that have happened with the school and its football team.


I think they just need that one real good season and the recruiting will snowball. Its gonna take a guy with a weird system or an underrated recruiting class or something, but if and when they do have that season....they can be rebuilt.

They'll never be a perennial natl title contender again, but no reason to believe they cant be as successful as the other major schools who go thru Good times and bad.

I see 6 losses on ND's schedule this year. I love it. If ND was smart they would give Urban Meyer a blank check & tell him to fill in the amount.

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We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

Lou Holtz used to go batshit on the sidelines....He was hilarious....He WON a lot of games....so his antics were "good coaching"!!!!

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WOO LIFE!!!!

I have been going to games there for years.
They have been believing their own myths and bullshit for years regarding their football team, but reality is setting in. Allegedly they have made some "academic exceptions" for Kelly in recruiting.....the way College Athletics are today, I would think they need 50 "academic exceptions" to compete at the highest level.
It is a World Class University.....Football has not been their top priority since Frank Leahy, and even then, the Priests had the football program in the cross-hairs.

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WOO LIFE!!!!

Head coach Brian Kelly's face looked like it was going to explode Saturday afternoon as Notre Dame's offense shot themselves in the foot with 5 turnovers along with plenty of dropped passes throughout the game vs. South Florida, before and after the rain/lightning delays.

I agree. Kelly just lost to South Florida though, so it's bad coaching.

Brian Kelly has benched Dayne Crist already & will start Sophomore QB Tommy Rees from Lake Forest Saturday night against Michigan. If big blue wins this game, things will get ugly for Kelly.
Go Michigan.

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We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

If ND wants a fresh face,I hear the Illini Off. coach who has them running on all cylinders might be worth a look. either him or Ditka.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Notre Dame graduates the vast majority if its players.
Football factories have mostly been outsourced to the South.
Any obstruction of justice is with the sexual assault cases, not Declan Sullivan.
Notre Dame's genuine problem as an institution is this strange elitist air it projects...."WE ARE NOTRE DAME AND WE ARE BETTER THAN EVERYBODY IN ALL ASPECTS OF LIFE." That is the feeling I get, and it really isn't too Catholic.
All kinds of graduates from Notre Dame go on to do wonderful things improving society as a whole. Not everyone jets in for football games on their own plane.
Why the University sells and believes and encourages its own hype is beyond me.

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WOO LIFE!!!!

You are a successful middle aged man.
Get over your rejection letter in the Spring of 1978.

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51 is going back down the mountain, Bob, and gaining speed - unless you plan to live to be 102.

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Alright, clearly National Power is out of the question.

How bout just a consistently good/very good program

Wisconsin
Oregon (recently)
Auburn


I mean win 9,10 games evey year. Make BCS bowls frequently. Maybe sneak into the BCS title game once a decade.



Fuck

I said it in another thread.....

They are just "another college football program" now. ND isn't saintly, kids don't give a shit or at least not as many, they haven't really been any good consistently in forever, they have academic "standards"...sure, they have NBC, but they suck so who cares. The Bob Davie era was the beginning of the end, Ty Willingham was blah, the fat asshole was worse and Brian Kelly will have a heart attack by seasons end or at least kill 5 more students, possibly with his bare hands.

Their draft classes are always over-rated and that's that. Can they be "good" again? Sure. But mega-power house or even consistent BCS entry is a long shot. Although they have a fan base so that usually will get them in, see 06-07 when they shouldn't have even been in consideration. Yeah I'm exaggerating but who cares. I've got Mike Tolbert on the brain and dog parks and pictures of spaulding chopping bad dogs heads off and their "parents" (WTF) heads off too and then taking them home and mounting them..................on the mantle.

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ND will win another championship before anyone in the Big 10 does.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Neither is winning any BCS title in the next 10 years. The Big 10 will send Wisconsin or whoever the hell their but they will lose. ND, if they sniff it, will suffer the same fate.

I wish I felt the same. I dont know. Michigan, Ohio State, and Wisconsin maybe.

Id just like to see some improvement. Some stability. And if Kelly doesnt last well thats another few years til you get results.

Don't mistake my statement as being overly optimistic about ND. I don't think they win one anytime soon, but as bad as things look for them in the next few years, things do not look much better for the majority of the Big 10.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."