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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:10 pm 
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Briggs "BONUS" this year is $3.5, the next 3 years it is $250K. Don't sign anyone ever again with a contract that you know will be an issue.

All said, they owe Lance 19.2 M on this deal, spilt it up evenly over the next 3 years 6.4 Mill and tell him to shut up.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:16 pm 
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Briggs "BONUS" this year is $3.5, the next 3 years it is $250K. Don't sign anyone ever again with a contract that you know will be an issue.

All said, they owe Lance 19.2 M on this deal, spilt it up evenly over the next 3 years 6.4 Mill and tell him to shut up.


The whole NFL contract set-up is a joke. Teams can void contracts. Players request huge upfront and/or guaranteed money to combat the team's advantage. That results in contracts that are usually front loaded and look silly down the road when new contracts pay a lot more. Players can hold out to cause trouble. Teams can franchise to play hardball. It comes down to football being so tough on players that their careers often end badly and abruptly. I am sick of this cycle.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:24 pm 
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What is the fix? You cant have it like baseball or basketball because of the injury factors. I dont know another way to go about it.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:25 pm 
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What is the fix? You cant have it like baseball or basketball because of the injury factors. I dont know another way to go about it.


Agree 100%. It just sucks that players, teams, and fans have to deal with all the non-sense. I totally get both sides of the Briggs argument.

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No one is screaming bloody murder about what the Jags just did to David Garrard. His contract did matter and by cutting him so late they made sure his contract would be about 10% of what it was. You wonder why guys like Briggs (a better player) ask for more money. It's a cutthroat business.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:34 pm 
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No one is screaming bloody murder about what the Jags just did to David Garrard. His contract did matter and by cutting him so late they made sure his contract would be about 10% of what it was. You wonder why guys like Briggs (a better player) ask for more money. It's a cutthroat business.


Cuts both ways. Guys collect a lot of upfront money all the time and don't meet their end of the contract by playing like crap. Again, it sucks for everyone.

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No one is screaming bloody murder about what the Jags just did to David Garrard. His contract did matter and by cutting him so late they made sure his contract would be about 10% of what it was. You wonder why guys like Briggs (a better player) ask for more money. It's a cutthroat business.


Cuts both ways. Guys collect a lot of upfront money all the time and don't meet their end of the contract by playing like crap. Again, it sucks for everyone.


Exactly the point in Garrard's case... he is not worth $9M/yr. Everyone complains about non-guaranteed contracts, blah blah blah... There are 53 players on the active roster. 53! How can anyone expect an NFL team to guarantee 53 contracts? The league would be broke in 3 years.


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Big Chicagoan wrote:
denisdman wrote:
HOVA wrote:
No one is screaming bloody murder about what the Jags just did to David Garrard. His contract did matter and by cutting him so late they made sure his contract would be about 10% of what it was. You wonder why guys like Briggs (a better player) ask for more money. It's a cutthroat business.


Cuts both ways. Guys collect a lot of upfront money all the time and don't meet their end of the contract by playing like crap. Again, it sucks for everyone.


Exactly the point in Garrard's case... he is not worth $9M/yr. Everyone complains about non-guaranteed contracts, blah blah blah... There are 53 players on the active roster. 53! How can anyone expect an NFL team to guarantee 53 contracts? The league would be broke in 3 years.

That's silly. If contracts were guaranteed, they'd quit offering (and players would quit accepting) pretend contracts that they know won't be honored. Most of these big deals are just ego things. The players and teams both know that they will need to be renegotiated before the later years.

My question is: why not demand guaranteed money? I know that's not the norm, but I don't think the CBA requires contracts to not be guaranteed. You might have to accept less but you also cut down on risk. For the team it might be riskier but it might also be cheaper. And you would avoid this little dance every offseason.

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My question is: why not demand guaranteed money? I know that's not the norm, but I don't think the CBA requires contracts to not be guaranteed. You might have to accept less but you also cut down on risk. For the team it might be riskier but it might also be cheaper. And you would avoid this little dance every offseason.
Wouldn't the money be roughly the same, but players would have to wait for it?

$10 million signing bonus + $2.5 million a year for 4 years = $5 million a year guaranteed for 4 years.

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Irish Boy wrote:
My question is: why not demand guaranteed money? I know that's not the norm, but I don't think the CBA requires contracts to not be guaranteed. You might have to accept less but you also cut down on risk. For the team it might be riskier but it might also be cheaper. And you would avoid this little dance every offseason.
Wouldn't the money be roughly the same, but players would have to wait for it?

$10 million signing bonus + $2.5 million a year for 4 years = $5 million a year guaranteed for 4 years.

I think teams would compensate for the higher risk on their end by offering less. So the total compensation would go down. But, the risk from the players end would go down as well, and that's probably worth something to them.

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I believe Cam Newton's contract is guaranteed.

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I believe Cam Newton's contract is guaranteed.




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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:40 pm 
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HOVA wrote:
I believe Cam Newton's contract is guaranteed.

But he's also making substantially less money than QBs did in past years....

Newton's deal: 4 yrs/22M all guaranteed.

Bradford's deal: 6/78M 50 guaranteed.

It's the new rookie contract systems.


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