The Season Is Over

FavreFan · **Posted:** Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:47 pm

good dolphin wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

If Dunn sucks the team will be immediately sunk, but as we have seen, this is true anyway.

The most unncessary use of if I have seen in quite some time.

It would be illogical to think he will have back to back years that statistically and practically speaking match the worst of any major leaguer in the history of the game.

Yes but even if he improves slightly he still sucks a great deal. Same with Rios. If we are depending on them for a rejuvenation we are fucked. Your plan would heavily depend on whatever we get back in return in the offseason, because the lineup you just posted looks truly awful.

Darkside · **Posted:** Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:50 pm

SHARK wrote:

Phil McCracken wrote:

SHARK wrote:

Do they also shift Brent Morel from third base to second base and test the free agent waters to find a more productive third or second baseman? All bets are off right now...

Isn't Mark Teahen going to be a free agent maybe Kenny can sign him to play 3rd.

Don't get me started on Mark Teahen, Phil...He was bad at baseball before the White Sox traded his sorry ass!

SERIOUSLY you're gonna shit on Teahen but you suck on Beckhams penis?
What is that all about?

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82260

FavreFan wrote:

It would be illogical to think he will have back to back years that statistically and practically speaking match the worst of any major leaguer in the history of the game.

Yes but even if he improves slightly he still sucks a great deal. Same with Rios. If we are depending on them for a rejuvenation we are fucked. Your plan would heavily depend on whatever we get back in return in the offseason, because the lineup you just posted looks truly awful.[/quote]

I know, but like I said, the lineup is dependant on them having come back seasons anyway. If you think they will suck (and you have a logical reason to believe it) they are screwed anyway. If not, that lineup and pitching can win games.

I'm looking at next year as a purge year. You keep Dunn/Rios because you have to. If Dunn come back to his average, someone will take him off your hands before the trade deadline. That leaves you with Peavey and Rios as bad contracts for 2012.

Keyser Soze · **Joined:** Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:15 pm **Posts:** 16923

good dolphin wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:

I think they resign Buehrle and trade Floyd. I also think Stewart makes the rotation and Humber is the spot starter/long reliever.

I would love that battle for the #5 spot next year. Danks will be traded before Floyd if he cannot be signed long term this winter.

I love Buehrle. He is one of those guys I wish would be a White Sox for life. I think this season is a mirage due in part to the heavy rest of the six man rotation. It will drive his price up and out of the Sox market. I would think it would be a big home discount to sign him for 8 million, but even that might not be acceptable given payroll constraints.

I think they'll end up signing Danks to an extension and trade Floyd to make room for Sale.

Buehrle finally has been doing an off season shoulder strengthening program the last couple years that the Sox were trying to get him to do for a long time. That has more to do with him not fading down the stretch than the 6 man rotation. I would love for him to sign a contract like Konerko's. Buehrle can keep pitching like this into his 40's.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:02 pm

good dolphin wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

It would be illogical to think he will have back to back years that statistically and practically speaking match the worst of any major leaguer in the history of the game.

Yes but even if he improves slightly he still sucks a great deal. Same with Rios. If we are depending on them for a rejuvenation we are fucked. Your plan would heavily depend on whatever we get back in return in the offseason, because the lineup you just posted looks truly awful.

I know, but like I said, the lineup is dependant on them having come back seasons anyway. If you think they will suck (and you have a logical reason to believe it) they are screwed anyway. If not, that lineup and pitching can win games.[/quote]
Since I havent been able to watch them in 3 years and dont follow them very closely, this is a sincere question... You're pretty much saying that without Dunn/Rios doing moderately well next season there is no chance of the White Sox doing well? Whats saying they have to play?

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82260

He can but he won't. He wants to be with his kids. If I were his kids I'd tell him to keep adding to my inheritance. If you want to be with me, home school me. Even if I end up illiterate, I have your 100 million to fall back on and let the next generation be geniuses

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82260

FavreFan wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

It would be illogical to think he will have back to back years that statistically and practically speaking match the worst of any major leaguer in the history of the game.

Yes but even if he improves slightly he still sucks a great deal. Same with Rios. If we are depending on them for a rejuvenation we are fucked. Your plan would heavily depend on whatever we get back in return in the offseason, because the lineup you just posted looks truly awful.

I know, but like I said, the lineup is dependant on them having come back seasons anyway. If you think they will suck (and you have a logical reason to believe it) they are screwed anyway. If not, that lineup and pitching can win games.

Since I havent been able to watch them in 3 years and dont follow them very closely, this is a sincere question... You're pretty much saying that without Dunn/Rios doing moderately well next season there is no chance of the White Sox doing well? Whats saying they have to play?[/quote]

There is just too much money sunk in them not to play them. Also, they haven't passed that threshold age where they should be on the decline. Rios sucked in 2009 when he came here and rebounded with a great year last year. Dunn has been a consistent 35-100 guy forever. You don't go from that to 15-60 in one year.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:08 pm

good dolphin wrote:

He can but he won't. He wants to be with his kids. If I were his kids I'd tell him to keep adding to my inheritance. If you want to be with me, home school me. Even if I end up illiterate, I have your 100 million to fall back on and let the next generation be geniuses

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82260

The Sox were fully prepared to go into battle without Paulie this year. They thought they could win with the lineup I posted. I think they can kind of win which might be good enough.

Keyser Soze · **Joined:** Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:15 pm **Posts:** 16923

He'll walk away but not at 32. Nobody that competitive walks away in their prime without an injury. Mussina walked away at 40 and Andy Faggott was 38. He's got another contract or two in him.

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:27 pm

good dolphin wrote:

They thought they could win with the lineup I posted. I think they can kind of win which might be good enough.

They can win with that lineup. They should win with that lineup. Nobody can win with Rios being as bad as he was in the field and at the plate, Dunn being as bad as he was at the plate, and Peavy being as mediocre as he has been so far this year,

Douchebag · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm **Posts:** 43583

Keyser Soze wrote:

Andy Faggott was 38.

Wow.

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82260

Frank Coztansa wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

They thought they could win with the lineup I posted. I think they can kind of win which might be good enough.

They can win with that lineup. They should win with that lineup. Nobody can win with Rios being as bad as he was in the field and at the plate, Dunn being as bad as he was at the plate, and Peavy being as mediocre as he has been so far this year,

All that being said, if the bullpen doesn't have that hiccup in the first month of the season the Sox are neck and neck with the Tigers. I don't really care about ifs. The Tigers and Indians have given them innumerable opportunities to take this division. I cannot count the number of times the Indians and Tigers both lost on the same night.

OldSchoolScoreFan · **Posted:** Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:57 pm

I think Coco Crisp is a free agent. Kenny has wanted him for lke 5 years and Kenny always gets his guy.

JimHendry · **Posted:** Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:25 pm

good dolphin wrote:

I almost forgot, they also lose Pierre's 5 million. You could play .500 ball with a very good bullpen, a staff of Danks, Floyd, Sale, Peavy and Humber and a lineup that included a reinvigorated Dunn/Rios and

Morel
Quentin
Dunn
Rios
Viceado
Ramirez
Flowers
Beckham

and a right fielder/center fielder you get in a trade for Paulie. If Dunn/Rios work out you can win a division with that lineup. If not, again, you are sunk anyway.

You are more out of your mind than I was when I signed Bradley. That staff and roster would be lucky to get 70 wins.

Elmhurst Steve · **Posted:** Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:47 pm

With the contracts of Dunn, Rios and Peavy there is almost no way this team will contend for several years, unless those players retire, die or somehow are able to contribute as they were expected to.....but thats highly unlikely. No team will take on any of those contracts unless the Sux pay 90% of them. Maybe not even then. So they are stuck with 3 awful players that leave the team with little/no payroll flexibility. Bad....

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82260

Why is it highly unlikely Brand? Is Dunn really a .170 hitter projecting in the future? Is Peavy not going to be stronger a year after surgery as he is usually great for his first 3-4 innings right now?

Brick · **Posted:** Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:40 am

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

With the contracts of Dunn, Rios and Peavy there is almost no way this team will contend for several years, unless those players retire, die or somehow are able to contribute as they were expected to.....but thats highly unlikely. No team will take on any of those contracts unless the Sux pay 90% of them. Maybe not even then. So they are stuck with 3 awful players that leave the team with little/no payroll flexibility. Bad....

I wonder if this quote will look as foolish as this one a year from now. http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=907277#p907277

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:42 am

Don't worry, steve. The Sox will be back sooner than you care to admit. People wondered in 2008 how they would compete coming off of a 72-90 campaign, and they won the division.

Trade in your Twins hat for a Tigers cap yet?

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82260

At this point, Dunn should sit the entire month of September. Also, someone needs to tell AJ to slow it down with the rehab. He is the kind of guy who is a dick to rookies and I imagine he will be a problem when Flowers rightfully starts the entire last month.

Elmhurst Steve · **Posted:** Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:27 am

good dolphin wrote:

Why is it highly unlikely Brand? Is Dunn really a .170 hitter projecting in the future? Is Peavy not going to be stronger a year after surgery as he is usually great for his first 3-4 innings right now?

Peavy has now missed over a month on the DL in each of the last 5 seasons. He can't go deep into games regularly and gets shelled as often as he pitches a decent game-or more often. He has a losing record, with an ERA over 5. You see him being a top of the rotation starter that stays healthy in 2012?? Dunn-does he show any signs of snapping out of the year-long struggle? Maybe the pitching in the AL is tougher for him...maybe he lost his motivation, having all the money now that he will ever need...maybe he just got old/bad quicker than anticipated. In any case, he has shown no signs that anyone should expect a return to the kind of numbers he put up in previous seasons. i guess you just accept that Rios will continue to struggle, as you didn't even bother to bring him up. With Rios' recent history (last 4 years) with years that seem to alternate between bad and good, perhaps he is the one guy that has the greatest chance to rebound again.

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82260

What? Rios has alternating bad and good years so he might break it. Dunn has about a decade of consecutively good years followed by a year unprecedented in the history of baseball (and that really isn't hyperbole) and he is done.

I expected this kind of performance from Peavy. I think he will end up just fine next year,.

HossasSlavicRage · **Posted:** Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:04 pm

That Santana game destroyed any hope I have left. The worst thing about this team is that they have shown time and time again that they can beat anyone in this division, but they just cannot be consistent.

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82260

just in case anyone else needed a reminder

SHARK · **Posted:** Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:07 pm

good dolphin wrote:

just in case anyone else needed a reminder

You don't need to remind me, GD. This team has been a pretender since the Red Sox & Yankees put these bums in their place a few weeks ago.

HossasSlavicRage · **Posted:** Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:20 pm

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Why is it highly unlikely Brand? Is Dunn really a .170 hitter projecting in the future? Is Peavy not going to be stronger a year after surgery as he is usually great for his first 3-4 innings right now?

Peavy has now missed over a month on the DL in each of the last 5 seasons. He can't go deep into games regularly and gets shelled as often as he pitches a decent game-or more often. He has a losing record, with an ERA over 5. You see him being a top of the rotation starter that stays healthy in 2012?? Dunn-does he show any signs of snapping out of the year-long struggle? Maybe the pitching in the AL is tougher for him...maybe he lost his motivation, having all the money now that he will ever need...maybe he just got old/bad quicker than anticipated. In any case, he has shown no signs that anyone should expect a return to the kind of numbers he put up in previous seasons. i guess you just accept that Rios will continue to struggle, as you didn't even bother to bring him up. With Rios' recent history (last 4 years) with years that seem to alternate between bad and good, perhaps he is the one guy that has the greatest chance to rebound again.

So basically you think they are going to be bad, because you just want it to be so. Peavy isn't expected or needed to be a top of the line guy. Dunn has more of a chance at bouncing back than he does repeating this year. Rios is the only one Sox fans should be concerned about. Besides Peavy, most of the Sox problems seem to stem more from mental issues rather than mechanics.

It must really suck to be a Cubs fan. They put lots of effort in trying to convince themselves that the Sox are going to be bad. Seems like they spend more time doing this than they actually watch the team the are supposedly fans of.

Douchebag · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm **Posts:** 43583

HossasSlavicRage wrote:

It must really suck to be a Cubs fan. They put lots of effort in trying to convince themselves that the Sox are going to be bad. Seems like they spend more time doing this than they actually watch the team the are supposedly fans of.

Really?

Phil McCracken · **Posted:** Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:52 pm

Douchebag wrote:

HossasSlavicRage wrote:

It must really suck to be a Cubs fan. They put lots of effort in trying to convince themselves that the Sox are going to be bad. Seems like they spend more time doing this than they actually watch the team the are supposedly fans of.

Really?

Darkside · **Posted:** Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:48 pm

So I guess they're done with Dunn?
Last 7 days, 4 AB's?

SHARK · **Posted:** Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:38 pm

Darkside wrote:

So I guess they're done with Dunn?
Last 7 days, 4 AB's?

It sure looks like it, Darkside. Dave Nicholson's 1963 team record for strikeouts in a single season with 175 appears safe.

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