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So Starlin Castro is a great SS? Alexei Ramirez is a great SS?


No. How are you leaping from Jeter being great to those two being great?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:58 am 
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But right here is why I'd argue about the way people use and view stats. He is a great shortstop. He's great. And he plays shortstop. Ergo, he is a great shortstop. He can't be separated from his defense. Actually, I guess he could if he were a DH, but in that case, he wouldn't be great at all.

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This post... man, that's just JORR in essence right there.


Why? Because it's so logical you don't know what to do with it?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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So Starlin Castro is a great SS? Alexei Ramirez is a great SS?


No. How are you leaping from Jeter being great to those two being great?

How do you leap from a great hitter to being a great position player?

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Why? Because it's so logical you don't know what to do with it?

Whatever that was, it was NOT logic.

Could we agree that Adam Dunn was a great hitter in the NL? I think we can.
So could we substitute Dunn in your quote?

He's great. And he plays left field. Ergo, he is a great leftfielder. He can't be separated from his defense.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:04 pm 
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Darkside wrote:
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Why? Because it's so logical you don't know what to do with it?

Whatever that was, it was NOT logic.

Could we agree that Adam Dunn was a great hitter in the NL? I think we can.
So could we substitute Dunn in your quote?

He's great. And he plays left field. Ergo, he is a great leftfielder. He can't be separated from his defense.


There's a faulty premise in there, Tarski.

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How?

It's the same thing.

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Darkside wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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So Starlin Castro is a great SS? Alexei Ramirez is a great SS?


No. How are you leaping from Jeter being great to those two being great?

How do you leap from a great hitter to being a great position player?


Play that position. Ted Williams was one of the greatest outfielders ever. Is that not true?

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thanks for playing JORR. We have a nice home version of the game for you as our way of saying, Bwaaa ha!

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How?

It's the same thing.


No it isn't. Adam Dunn isn't a great player. Even if you think he was, he has never been someone a team was satisfied with at any position on the field. No one in baseball has ever complained about Jeter's defense. Only guys on the Internet do that.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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How?

It's the same thing.


No it isn't. Adam Dunn isn't a great player. Even if you think he was, he has never been someone a team was satisfied with at any position on the field. No one in baseball has ever complained about Jeter's defense. Only guys on the Internet do that.

So Adam Dunn can be separated from his defense and Jeter cannot.
Got it.
Different rules to fit the JORR rule of the moment. :lol:

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Darkside wrote:
thanks for playing JORR. We have a nice home version of the game for you as our way of saying, Bwaaa ha!

Queue sad mute trombone... wah wah.


Run along now, Darkside. It's about time for you to respond to posts I didn't even make. At least some guys have enough class to send the object of their obsessions a bag of Skittles or write a song for them.

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Darkside wrote:
So Adam Dunn can be separated from his defense and Jeter cannot.
Got it.
Different rules to fit the JORR rule of the moment. :lol:


Adam Dunn is not- nor has he ever been- great. You really don't grasp logic, do you?

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JORR that's not logic.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Darkside wrote:
thanks for playing JORR. We have a nice home version of the game for you as our way of saying, Bwaaa ha!

Queue sad mute trombone... wah wah.


Run along now, Darkside. It's about time for you to respond to posts I didn't even make. At least some guys have enough class to send the object of their obsessions a bag of Skittles or write a song for them.

I'm responding to your nitwitty posts right here.
Would you like me to write a song about you? Is that what this is all about?

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Adam Dunn is not- nor has he ever been- great. You really don't grasp logic, do you?


The near 400 HR's don't convince you at all? Pretty good OPS too. Not to mention years of consistancy in power numbers...??
You didn't find him to be a great hitter in the NL?

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And if you don't want to use Dunn, use Castro and Ramirez.

Are Starlin Castro and Alexei Ramirez great Shortstops?

Is Aramis Ramirez a great 3B?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:19 pm 
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
And if you don't want to use Dunn, use Castro and Ramirez.

Are Starlin Castro and Alexei Ramirez great Shortstops?

Is Aramis Ramirez a great 3B?


No. Why don't you try Ted Williams?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:22 pm 
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No.

Explain why Jeter is a great SS and Ramirez isn't a great 3B.

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Hester is a great kick returner. He is also a receiver; ergo he is a great wide receiver.

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No.

Explain why Jeter is a great SS and Ramirez isn't a great 3B.



Are you really asking that question?

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Yes.


One answer, and it doesn't do a lot to help your argument, is that Jeter has put up his numbers while playing the most important defensive position on the field. And he has played that position for multiple World Series champions.

But this is argument for the sake of argument. You, and everyone else who has even a cursory interest in baseball, knows that Aramis Ramirez isn't close to being the player Derek Jeter is.

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Speigs is a great singer! He is also a talk show host! Ergo, he is a great talk show host!

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Darkside wrote:
Hester is a great kick returner. He is also a receiver; ergo he is a great wide receiver.



Are kick returners now required to catch passes? I must have missed that. The NFL changes rules so often it's difficult to keep up.

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Hester is a great kick returner. He is also a receiver; ergo he is a great wide receiver.



Are kick returners now required to catch passes? I must have missed that. The NFL changes rules so often it's difficult to keep up.

Are hitters required to play the field in the AL?

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You're really having trouble with this logic thing, aren't you, Goedel?

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I didn't say he was.

If Derek Jeter is a great SS rather than a great player in your world, then Aramis Ramirez is a great 3B as well.

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You're really having trouble with this logic thing, aren't you, Goedel?

Your logic? Yes sir. It's troubling to say the least. But please, argue the shit out of it.

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Are hitters required to play the field in the AL?


Most of them are. But the fact that a guy played short for twenty seasons when there was another option speaks to his ability to play the field.

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Or it speaks to the fact that no one wanted to upset the Captain even though there is a better option.

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