All of them except Orton are better than Cutler. Fitzpatrick is still borderline. There's not a doubt in my mind Roethlisberger is better than Cutler

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His Bob Avellini impersonation yesterday was spot on.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

I went back at looked at Cutler's 8 incompletions yesterday, and he made only 1 bad throw IMO, the INT.

-One of his incompletions was a throw away
-another was a pass to Sanzenbacher on 3rd down in the flat, the pass floated away from Sanzenbacher but he did get his hands on hit...50% bad throw, 50% failed catch
-One incomletion was the shovel pass to Forte, when Cutler was under pressure
-there was a pass to Hurd on a slant, hit him on the chest, good play by the DB to break up the pass
-there was the deep out run by Hester, the pass hit him on the hands but the DB broker up the pass, still has to come down with the ball, would have been a 28 yard gain on 3rd down
-Another pass to hester when cutler was scrambling to his left, a little high but went thru Hesters hands
-the pass to Kellen Davis, a little low and a little behind but again hit Kellen Davis in the hands and he dropped it.

Now were there other receivers open, I don't know, don't have tape. But cutler was not terrible.

Do you see how many excuses you made for Cutler?

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High praise.

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His game was virtually the definition of "game manager".

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When you run for well over 200 yards, that's all you have to be.

The defense worries me much more than Cutler does.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

sanchez is below average..and flacco is better than cutler..flacco has 3 rookie wr's and by the end of the season the ravens will probably be in the superbowl.

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He does look jumpy even when there is a pocket. Even when passes are complete, he's not hitting his back step and then making the throw as we keep hearing is the 'Martz offense way' I don't know if it's a result of being bludgeoned for a few seasons here and can be fixed or an overall regression.

I'm still a Jay guy.

He'll have a new offensive coordinator next season and then we'll get to start from scratch again.

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Which is part of the reason I think for his poor play at times. That will be his 4th Ocoord/system in like 6 years?

Denver--> Ron Turner--> Mike Martz--> new guy
That is correct yeah?

You look at the elite QB's in the leauge- Brees, Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Rivers, etc-- they have been in the same system (some with the same coaches) for several years running.

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And then the excuse will be he's learning yet another new offense, how can you expect him to be average when he's had no continuity. Im going to vote for overall regression or maybe he's just not that good to begin with no matter what the offensive scheme.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

And if Jerry Angelo is still the GM, the name of that offensive coordinator will be....Mike Tice.

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I guess i don't agree with the whole "cutler sucks, lets get someone better" when there are more pressing issues on this team.

When Harbaugh was with the Bears a lot of Bear fans wanted to get rid of him. He goes on to the colts, leads the NFL in passing one year and the Colts end up being one game away from the SB. He becomes Captain Comeback.

Orton puts up average numbers with the Bears, goes to the Broncos, puts up much better numbers. Cutler puts up pretty good numbers his first 3 years with the Broncos, comes to the Bears and appears to have regressed.

Success at the QB position has a lot do with the system and talent around him. Kurt Warner went from a HOF in St. louis to a bumbling QB with the Giants to a HOF again with the Cardinals.

I firmly believe that Matt Ryan, Flacco, Stafford, Schaub, Eli would not do better with this Bear offense.

It started yesterday. Players all crediting Tice with the rushing explosion.

Did Tice call plays when he was coach of the Vikings?

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No he called ticket brokers

I think he was the one who implemented the Randy Ratio

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J'Marcus Webb is still your guy, right?

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kurt warner was never bumbling with the giants..he was solid in the short time he started and they fucked up and went to eli manning..warner was the better qb.. and harbaugh did suck with the bears, he was a little better with indy..but not good even with his career year(17) tds was just a game manager.

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Warner was absolutely horrible in New York for a stretch. Just awful.

he was there for what? one season? started 9 or ten games..completed 60% plus of passes? more td's than pics?..not all that bad, and better than eli

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But I thought that Cutler only had one bad pass on Sunday?

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Cutler certainly hasn't progressed with the Bears. And regarding the one bad pass comment, watch the game again, if anyone wants to dispute what I stated, go ahead.

So it is your opinion that Jay Cutler is worse now than he was with the Broncos?

Why have you defended the trade then? The #1 criteria for it being a success was that he continued to improve.

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Thats what cutler did last year

^ so did kyle orton

that was in reference to kurt warner in new york.... but cutler was o.k. last year....certainly not worthy of orton and 2 first round picks..

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Cutler has not improved with the Bears, due to various reasons.....Cutler maybe being stubborn, coaching turnover, but in my opinion the biggest hurdle has been the lack of talent around him.

If the Bears had a GM that could identify talent and not waste a second round pick on a DT that has been inactive or 2 late round picks on developing QBs when the Bears already have Hanie, or trading your pass catching TE for a 4th round choice maybe the Bears could have a decent offensive line or some recievers that can actually make a difficult catch once in a while.

So I ask, as someone who has defended the trade many times, how it was a good trade if Cutler has regressed?

Take him personally out of the equation and judge that the Bears gave up a ton of value and got a QB who has gotten worse when at the time of the trade he was only a borderline top ten QB.

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