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The thing about this move is that the Sox will only be good if Rios, Dunn and Peavy are good. There is not a single thing Robin will have done that will make them good or bad.

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:lol: Darrin Jackson thinks Ventura will be successful because he can sit next to each player and have a conversation with them. What the hell is that?

I'm pretty sure that DJ is racist.

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I can't wait for Elmhurst Steve's future post that doesn't predict whether he will do well or not which will then be cited one year from now either way as proof he was right.

He called into CJH and said that he was probably chosen because a lot of his baseball philosophies were likely very similar to Kenny's. I actually thought it was a pretty good point.....I guess a broken watch finds an acorn in a glass house, or something.



I will predict that the Sox have a rather lackluster season in 2012 under Ventura. But my prediction has little to do with Ventura's managing capabilities. It has to do with the team he inherits. He's getting a 79-83 team that will lose it's opening day starter and has some high salaried, underachieving players that the GM will not be able to unload....so they will continue to be on the roster. As far as the hire, as I said on the CJH show (and Frank touched upon) I believe that Kenny decided on Ventura because the style of play he would employ and his philosophy on how to play in the ballpark they are in....is the same as Kenny's. It's important to have a Manager and the GM on the same page. Ozzie and Kenny had terribly different ideas as to how to run the ballclub. Kenny wanted to have more sluggers that could take advantage of the ballparks hitter friendly dimensions. Ozzie wanted to manufacture runs and play more small ball. I think Kenny wisely decided to get a Manager that would be in step with him. If the team fails now, it will be because the players are not good enough, not because the GM and Manager are both trying to make the other look bad, to the detriment of the ballclub. Ventura always seemed like a smart ballplayer, so I will not be surprised if he is at the very least competent.

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I expect a huge turn around for guys like Dunn and Rios next season.



Why is that? ....Because Rios had a good year in 2010, between 2 disasters (2009 and 2011)? ...Because Dunn had never had such a terrible season before and he will have had a year to get to know the A.L. pitchers?? Because ventura will somehow get better from each? What is the basis of this expectation?

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I havnt read all 8 pages yet but wasnt Ozzie just a 3rd base coach for a year? Ozzie smarter than Robin? I guess its a guess but it worked once. And call me silly but I like former Sox players Managing. I guess Jerry does too.


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I havnt read all 8 pages yet but wasnt Ozzie just a 3rd base coach for a year? Ozzie smarter than Robin? I guess its a guess but it worked once. And call me silly but I like former Sox players Managing. I guess Jerry does too.


Yes-for the 2003 Florida Marlins, who won the World series that season after beating the Cubs in the NLCS.

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Sure its a long shot but hasnt Buck Showalter had a lot of experience? He Sucks. Jerry Manuel? Sucked. Torborg?

Right now......Dusty Baker or Robin Ventura? I'd take my chances with Robin. Its not rocket science.

I think it came down to how much Jerry loves Robin. He doesnt know Alomar that well and knows nothing about Davey other than he nailed Mrs Sandburg.


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Right now we have 2 managers in Chicago who not 1 single team wanted besides our teams.
There was zero interest in these guys from other teams.
Speaking of Quade, why the heck hasn't he been released yet?

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Yeah but the last time the White Sox hired an inexperienced surprise was Ozzie. 2005 ring a bell? Its a crap shoot.

Alomar will be Clevelands manager in a year. Martinez may end up being the Cubs coach.


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good dolphin wrote:
The thing about this move is that the Sox will only be good if Rios, Dunn and Peavy are good. There is not a single thing Robin will have done that will make them good or bad.
You've constantly had a stance that managers don't really matter that much in regards to trading Ozzie to the Marlins. While consistent with this statement, why are you seemingly upset about this move?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:31 am 
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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Mr. Belvidere wrote:
I havnt read all 8 pages yet but wasnt Ozzie just a 3rd base coach for a year? Ozzie smarter than Robin? I guess its a guess but it worked once. And call me silly but I like former Sox players Managing. I guess Jerry does too.


Yes-for the 2003 Florida Marlins, who won the World series that season after beating the Cubs in the NLCS.

Well done. Very accurate.


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good dolphin wrote:
The thing about this move is that the Sox will only be good if Rios, Dunn and Peavy are good. There is not a single thing Robin will have done that will make them good or bad.
You've constantly had a stance that managers don't really matter that much in regards to trading Ozzie to the Marlins. While consistent with this statement, why are you seemingly upset about this move?


If you have to fill the position why not attempt to hire the best person for the job. If the position is just there for PR and to try to get me to buy tickets just hire Eva Green and put her in a Marva Collins style uniform. I promise you I'll watch more and definitely be there when the manager brings the lineup to the umpire.

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Between the two of them the Sox almost have one Stanford degree.

Stanford is becoming to the White Sox what Vanderbilt is to the Bears.

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Right now we have 2 managers in Chicago who not 1 single team wanted besides our teams.
There was zero interest in these guys from other teams.
Speaking of Quade, why the heck hasn't he been released yet?



I think Quade has not been released as of yet, because the Ricketts family want's to give whoever takes the GM position the opportunity to hire a new manager of his choosing. Firing Quade without having a GM in place to choose a new manager to take his place is pointless. Makes sense to take things in the right order....Hire the GM, Fire Quade, Hire the new Manager....Win the World Series!!! .....Okay, I got carried away on that last part :(

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:lol: Darrin Jackson thinks Ventura will be successful because he can sit next to each player and have a conversation with them. What the hell is that?

I'm pretty sure that DJ is racist.


This is a guy who played in Japan and South America, playing the devils advocate, he would probably have a better idea of the impact of conversation than others. But, I think Ozzie was able to convey his messages fine. The only people who bitch about Ozzies accent are dumb, white, ignorant and probably fat.

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The one interesting thing from DJ was that he seemed to indicate he thought Beckham should have been sent down to the minors early in the season to send a message to him and the rest of the team

I heard that as well, GD, during Laurence Holmes' nighttime show on The SCORE. He didn't necessarily mention 2B Gordon Beckham & 3B Brent Morel by name, but I think you could have built quite a case that BOTH guys should've been sent down to Triple "A" Charlotte when BOTH Beckham & Morel struggled badly at the plate early in the season.

That being said, I was surprised that the White Sox didn't make ANY such moves until around the MLB Trade Deadline back in July when SP Edwin Jackson ended up going to St. Louis, 3B Mark Teahen & CF Colby Rasmus went to Toronto and the Sox got reliever Jason Frasor & starting pitcher (next year?) Zach Stewart from the Blue Jays in that complex 3-way trade.

I think that is one of the biggest challenges Robin Ventura will be facing in his first season. Will he have the balls to bench guys like Beckham, Morel and other struggling White Sox players if they scuffle right out of the chute next April?


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I agree and I can't imagine he will waste as many outs as his predecessor.

Robin Ventura, while on with on CJH, wrote:
Offensively, I mean, we won't be bunting guys over all the time. Sometimes we will, but sometimes the guys are gonna be asked to swing the bats to get them across the plate.


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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I agree and I can't imagine he will waste as many outs as his predecessor.

Robin Ventura, while on with on CJH, wrote:
Offensively, I mean, we won't be bunting guys over all the time. Sometimes we will, but sometimes the guys are gonna be asked to swing the bats to get them across the plate.


8) 8)

Well with Adam Dunn in the middle of your lineup I don't see how that plan could fail

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Drop 3rd strike.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:22 pm 
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This is a guy who played in Japan and South America, playing the devils advocate, he would probably have a better idea of the impact of conversation than others. But, I think Ozzie was able to convey his messages fine. The only people who bitch about Ozzies accent are dumb, white, ignorant and probably fat.

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Time to tone down the rage a little, champ...I'm just havin a little fun here.

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Yeah but the last time the White Sox hired an inexperienced surprise was Ozzie. 2005 ring a bell? Its a crap shoot.

Alomar will be Clevelands manager in a year. Martinez may end up being the Cubs coach.


If the Cubs get Theo, hopefully Francona comes with him...unless Ricketts tells him that Ryno will be the Manager.

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