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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:01 pm 
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The White Sox announced that they outrighted right-handers Kyle Cofield, Josh Kinney and Shane Lindsay and left-hander Leyson Septimo to Triple-A. They also requested unconditional release waivers for right-hander Tony Pena after reinstating him from the 60-day disabled list. All five players will become free agents and the White Sox now have 36 players on their 40-man roster.

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All five players will become free agents and the White Sox now have 36 players on their 40-man roster.
What a stupid organization. They are really running a clown college. They don't even know that you need 40 players to have a 40 man roster. Reinsdouche and Kenny are ruining this team.

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Utility infielder Omar Vizquel and that number #11 will be put in mothballs WHERE IT BELONGS! Right fielder Carlos Quentin, pitchers Gavin Floyd, Mark Buehrle and John Danks, plus catcher Ramon Castro will be dealt and/or not be re-signed via free agency


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Utility infielder Omar Vizquel and that number #11 will be put in mothballs WHERE IT BELONGS! Right fielder Carlos Quentin, pitchers Gavin Floyd, Mark Buehrle and John Danks, plus catcher Ramon Castro will be dealt and/or not be re-signed via free agency


At least one of those pitchers has to be back.

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Utility infielder Omar Vizquel and that number #11 will be put in mothballs WHERE IT BELONGS! Right fielder Carlos Quentin, pitchers Gavin Floyd, Mark Buehrle and John Danks, plus catcher Ramon Castro will be dealt and/or not be re-signed via free agency


At least one of those pitchers has to be back.

I'm not so sure, JORR. Uncle Jerry has to cut payroll after the "ALL IN" season ended up losing the Southsiders' money. You can't get a 30 pack of Miller High Life for Jake Peavy.


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What are you going to tell me next? the trainer is a fat out of shape guy?

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What are you going to tell me next? the trainer is a fat out of shape guy?

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All five players will become free agents and the White Sox now have 36 players on their 40-man roster.
What a stupid organization. They are really running a clown college. They don't even know that you need 40 players to have a 40 man roster. Reinsdouche and Kenny are ruining this team.

3 straight seasons under .500 vs. the American League and A.L. Central Division....Only the Tigers were above .500 in that mighty Division this season...White Sox 21st in attendance in MLB...so it would appear that one with an ounce of sense just might forget about 2005 and focus on the immediate past...WHERE THE WHITE SOX FLAT OUT SUCK AND HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE!!!!
Maybe Kenny will trade to get THE GREAT TEAHEN back this off season and then announce he is out of money!!!!!!
$600,000,000 spent for ONE PLAYOFF WIN since 2005....
EVERYTHING IS JUST FINE!!!!!
THIS ORGANIZATION IS FUCKING BRAIN DEAD!!!!

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They will have to be more active with reguards to trades, as I don't believe that Reinsdorf will be approving many free agent signings. Not the high end free agents anyway. It's gonna be a challenging off-season for Kenny-but I think he may kinda like the challenge.

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They will have to be more active with reguards to trades, as I don't believe that Reinsdorf will be approving many free agent signings. Not the high end free agents anyway. It's gonna be a challenging off-season for Kenny-but I think he may kinda like the challenge.


Correct. If they sign any free agents, it will be for very little money, and probably reclamation type projects, guys to take a flyer with on a one year deal.

They will be active in the trade market with A.J., Quentin, Danks/Floyd (maybe both for the right offers) all on the block. This will be Kenny's method to attempt to add some prospects in the system.


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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
They will have to be more active with reguards to trades, as I don't believe that Reinsdorf will be approving many free agent signings. Not the high end free agents anyway. It's gonna be a challenging off-season for Kenny-but I think he may kinda like the challenge.


Correct. If they sign any free agents, it will be for very little money, and probably reclamation type projects, guys to take a flyer with on a one year deal.

They will be active in the trade market with A.J., Quentin, Danks/Floyd (maybe both for the right offers) all on the block. This will be Kenny's method to attempt to add some prospects in the system.


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They will be active in the trade market with A.J., Quentin, Danks/Floyd (maybe both for the right offers) all on the block. This will be Kenny's method to attempt to add some prospects in the system.

I'm working on an offseason list of moves I'd like to see them make and I'm trying to figure out a way they don't trade Quentin and I'm not coming up with one.


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They will be active in the trade market with A.J., Quentin, Danks/Floyd (maybe both for the right offers) all on the block. This will be Kenny's method to attempt to add some prospects in the system.

I'm working on an offseason list of moves I'd like to see them make and I'm trying to figure out a way they don't trade Quentin and I'm not coming up with one.


The only way they keep Quentin is if they decide that De Aza isn't worthy of an everyday spot and they decide to use him with Rios and Viceido in a rotation of sorts. Quentin is their best OF right now, but he's also going to be making money and they can probably get back a solid prospect for him and still have the OF at least covered, not that they should be overly confident in who they have with 2 unproven players and one with a big contract and bad numbers.


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the twins and the rays prove you can win with smaller pay rolls. This is the future. Sox fans will pay if their team competes. Jerry and Kenny think they can plug cheap vets and farm guys into a line up with a couple of veteran stars.

If seats get cheaper then Im all for it.


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Offseason Outlook: Chicago White Sox

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [October 18 at 10:45pm CST]

Expect the White Sox to consider trading established players as they retool for manager Robin Ventura's rookie season in 2012.

Guaranteed Contracts

•Adam Dunn, DH: $44MM through 2014
•Alex Rios, OF: $39.5MM through 2014
•Alexei Ramirez, SS: $32.5MM
•Paul Konerko, 1B: $25.5MM through 2013
•Jake Peavy, SP: $21MM through 2012
•Matt Thornton, RP: $12MM through 2013
•Jesse Crain, RP: $9MM through 2013
•Sergio Santos, RP: $8.25MM through 2014
•Gavin Floyd, SP: $7MM through 2012
•A.J. Pierzynski, C: $6MM through 2012
•Dayan Viciedo, 3B: $3.25MM through 2012
•Will Ohman, RP: $2.5MM through 2012
Arbitration Eligible Players (estimated salaries)

•John Danks, SP: $8MM
•Carlos Quentin, OF: $7.5MM

Contract Options

•Jason Frasor, RP: $3.75MM club option (Type B free agent)

Free Agents

•Mark Buehrle (Type B SP), Juan Pierre (Type B OF), Omar Vizquel (unranked UT IF), Ramon Castro (unranked C)

Going all-in didn't work out for the White Sox. After spending $127MM on a team that won just 79 games and trading their manager, the White Sox intend to ease up this offseason. Reality has set in, replacing the optimism of a year ago, but GM Kenny Williams says the team isn't going into rebuilding mode. With players like Adam Dunn, Alex Rios and Jake Peavy on the books, Chicago's going to retool instead.

It appears the White Sox will consider trading Carlos Quentin, John Danks and Gavin Floyd. They could use an infusion of talent. The White Sox, who opened the 2011 season with the 27th-ranked farm system in the game, according to Baseball America, spent less on this summer's amateur draft than any other team.

Interest in Quentin, a free agent after 2012, would likely be strong. Teams such as the Rockies, Mariners, A's, Braves, Twins and Orioles could have interest in the outfielder, who has averaged 27 homers per season with an .857 OPS since 2008. Though both Floyd and Danks will earn $7MM or more next year, they would draw heavy interest trade market. They're under 30, have been steady producers for years and wouldn't require the same financial commitment as C.J. Wilson or other free agents.

The White Sox could let Mark Buehrle walk. Few pitchers match his durability -- he has surpassed 200 innings in each of his 11 seasons in the rotation -- but the White Sox could turn to younger, cheaper options like Chris Sale and Zach Stewart instead. Assuming the White Sox offer Buehrle arbitration, they'll collect a compensatory draft pick for losing the Type B free agent.

Juan Pierre, another Type B free agent, probably doesn't fit into Chicago's long-term plans. He told Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune he doesn't expect the White Sox to place him high on their list of offseason priorities. Even if the White Sox trade Quentin, they have outfielders in Viciedo, Rios and Alejandro de Aza, so Pierre will likely depart without an offer of arbitration. Free agent backups Omar Vizquel and Ramon Castro will probably leave as well, though they aren't tied to compensation picks.

Last offseason's Adam Dunn deal soured in a hurry, so it's possible the White Sox will take a backseat to this year's free agent frenzy. This would mean relying on relatively unproven players like de Aza, Viciedo, Stewart, Sale and Brent Morel and could mean more responsibility for Tyler Flowers, Brent Lillibridge and Addison Reed. If the White Sox are prepared to go younger, as they've suggested, this offseason could be a quiet one in terms of free agent signings.

Like most teams, the White Sox will likely add a reliever or two over the course of the offseason, not that there's much urgency when it comes to Chicago's 'pen. Matt Thornton, Jesse Crain, Will Ohman and newly extended closer Sergio Santos provide Ventura with four reliable arms. The White Sox also hold a $3.75MM option for Jason Frasor, a Type B free agent. The Illinois native struggled through 20 appearances in Chicago, so Williams may decide to decline the option without offering arbitration and rely on a more affordable reliever, such as Reed. It's possible that Frasor has some trade value to a team looking for relievers. The club could decline the option and offer arbitration, keeping Frasor if he accepts and obtaining a pick if he declines.

The White Sox have already committed $90MM to next year's team, without accounting for Danks, Quentin or minimum salary players. Dunn and Rios aren't going anywhere, so the White Sox are stuck with their bloated contracts, clinging to hope that the former stars will rebound. They could stay in the AL Central race next year if enough goes their way, but if they do it probably won't be because of high-profile offseason acquisitions.


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Offseason Outlook: Chicago White Sox

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [October 18 at 10:45pm CST]

Expect the White Sox to consider trading established players as they retool for manager Robin Ventura's rookie season in 2012.

Guaranteed Contracts

•Adam Dunn, DH: $44MM through 2014
•Alex Rios, OF: $39.5MM through 2014
•Alexei Ramirez, SS: $32.5MM
•Paul Konerko, 1B: $25.5MM through 2013
•Jake Peavy, SP: $21MM through 2012
•Matt Thornton, RP: $12MM through 2013
•Jesse Crain, RP: $9MM through 2013
•Sergio Santos, RP: $8.25MM through 2014
•Gavin Floyd, SP: $7MM through 2012
•A.J. Pierzynski, C: $6MM through 2012
•Dayan Viciedo, 3B: $3.25MM through 2012
•Will Ohman, RP: $2.5MM through 2012
Arbitration Eligible Players (estimated salaries)

•John Danks, SP: $8MM
•Carlos Quentin, OF: $7.5MM

Contract Options

•Jason Frasor, RP: $3.75MM club option (Type B free agent)

Free Agents

•Mark Buehrle (Type B SP), Juan Pierre (Type B OF), Omar Vizquel (unranked UT IF), Ramon Castro (unranked C)

Going all-in didn't work out for the White Sox. After spending $127MM on a team that won just 79 games and trading their manager, the White Sox intend to ease up this offseason. Reality has set in, replacing the optimism of a year ago, but GM Kenny Williams says the team isn't going into rebuilding mode. With players like Adam Dunn, Alex Rios and Jake Peavy on the books, Chicago's going to retool instead.

It appears the White Sox will consider trading Carlos Quentin, John Danks and Gavin Floyd. They could use an infusion of talent. The White Sox, who opened the 2011 season with the 27th-ranked farm system in the game, according to Baseball America, spent less on this summer's amateur draft than any other team.

Interest in Quentin, a free agent after 2012, would likely be strong. Teams such as the Rockies, Mariners, A's, Braves, Twins and Orioles could have interest in the outfielder, who has averaged 27 homers per season with an .857 OPS since 2008. Though both Floyd and Danks will earn $7MM or more next year, they would draw heavy interest trade market. They're under 30, have been steady producers for years and wouldn't require the same financial commitment as C.J. Wilson or other free agents.

The White Sox could let Mark Buehrle walk. Few pitchers match his durability -- he has surpassed 200 innings in each of his 11 seasons in the rotation -- but the White Sox could turn to younger, cheaper options like Chris Sale and Zach Stewart instead. Assuming the White Sox offer Buehrle arbitration, they'll collect a compensatory draft pick for losing the Type B free agent.

Juan Pierre, another Type B free agent, probably doesn't fit into Chicago's long-term plans. He told Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune he doesn't expect the White Sox to place him high on their list of offseason priorities. Even if the White Sox trade Quentin, they have outfielders in Viciedo, Rios and Alejandro de Aza, so Pierre will likely depart without an offer of arbitration. Free agent backups Omar Vizquel and Ramon Castro will probably leave as well, though they aren't tied to compensation picks.

Last offseason's Adam Dunn deal soured in a hurry, so it's possible the White Sox will take a backseat to this year's free agent frenzy. This would mean relying on relatively unproven players like de Aza, Viciedo, Stewart, Sale and Brent Morel and could mean more responsibility for Tyler Flowers, Brent Lillibridge and Addison Reed. If the White Sox are prepared to go younger, as they've suggested, this offseason could be a quiet one in terms of free agent signings.

Like most teams, the White Sox will likely add a reliever or two over the course of the offseason, not that there's much urgency when it comes to Chicago's 'pen. Matt Thornton, Jesse Crain, Will Ohman and newly extended closer Sergio Santos provide Ventura with four reliable arms. The White Sox also hold a $3.75MM option for Jason Frasor, a Type B free agent. The Illinois native struggled through 20 appearances in Chicago, so Williams may decide to decline the option without offering arbitration and rely on a more affordable reliever, such as Reed. It's possible that Frasor has some trade value to a team looking for relievers. The club could decline the option and offer arbitration, keeping Frasor if he accepts and obtaining a pick if he declines.

The White Sox have already committed $90MM to next year's team, without accounting for Danks, Quentin or minimum salary players. Dunn and Rios aren't going anywhere, so the White Sox are stuck with their bloated contracts, clinging to hope that the former stars will rebound. They could stay in the AL Central race next year if enough goes their way, but if they do it probably won't be because of high-profile offseason acquisitions.

This article doesn't discuss the positive clubhouse experience Robin Ventura will provide!!!!!
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By Ben Nicholson-Smith [October 19 at 8:35pm CST]

•Shane Lindsay elected free agency, according to Matt Eddy of Baseball America. The White Sox had outrighted the right-hander to create roster space last week. Lindsay, a native of Melbourne, Australia, had a cameo with the White Sox this year after spending most of the season in the upper minors. He posted a 2.18 ERA in the minors despite an alarming walk rate of 7.5 per nine innings. Lindsay did strike out 11.5 batters per nine in 70 1/3 combined innings at Double-A and Triple-A.


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Marlins To Meet With Mark Buehrle
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [November 7, 2011 at 10:52pm CST]

The Marlins, who already obtained manager Ozzie Guillen from the White Sox this offseason, are now pursuing the most dependable starter the skipper had in Chicago, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. The Marlins will meet with free agent left-hander Mark Buehrle tomorrow.

Rosenthal reported earlier today that adding left-handed starting pitching is the Marlins' top offseason priority. C.J. Wilson, another free agent left-hander, concerns the Marlins because of his postseason control issues, according to ESPN.com's Buster Olney.

The Marlins aren't shying away from other top free agents. They have Prince Fielder and Albert Pujols on their radar and, according to Rosenthal, will meet with Jose Reyes Wednesday and Cuban outfielder Yoenis Cespedes Thursday. Pujols, Fielder, Reyes and Wilson are Type A free agents, while Buehrle qualifies as a Type B. He wouldn't cost the Marlins a 2012 draft pick and neither would Cespedes.

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Sox or retirement for #56.

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Sox would be stupid not to resign him. Dump Floyd for salary relief.


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Never happen.

Sox or retirement for #56.

He's playing next year for someone.


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Then he's playing for the Sox.

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