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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:09 pm 
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What happened to him? I thought he was a legit deep threat? Worth it for the Bears to take a look?

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What happened to him? I thought he was a legit deep threat? Worth it for the Bears to take a look?


HELL NO!!!

You have better hands than Berrian.

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Given the author of this thread I opened it up fully expecting some type of "Take a flyer on him?" post.

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What happened to him? I thought he was a legit deep threat? Worth it for the Bears to take a look?


HELL NO!!!

You have better hands than Berrian.


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well sure why not... but realistically, whose spot on the field could he take?

roy will? nope. he's got too much upside... he could go 5/65 in a game or something. until then the TB game will forever be known to our grandkids as "the roy williams game"
knox? nope. last year his production (~950/5) matched berrian's career year with the bears (07)
devin? nope. too much $$$ invested in the theory that he could magically turn into a #1 wideout one game.
earl bennett? nope. too much rapport with cutler, security blankey status, possible ~65-75rec upside w/development.
dane sanzanbacher? maybe you've got something there.

so basically, you'd sign a guy who could maybe be your #5 wide receiver? i mean, sure, if you wanna go that route and hope that his precipitous decline over the last few seasons was due to scheme/personnel issues in minnesota, sure, but it was likely a combination of those and his own abilities, so like, if you think sanzenbacher's a fucking bum who needs to be marginally upgraded at best, welp, bernard very well could be your man.

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Since I don't buy into the Devin Hester myth...

But I also buy into your argument about his decline.

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Sanzenbacher can block.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:23 am 
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I was wondering when the first "take a flyer" post would appear. Between Hester, Williams, and Dane don't we have enough experiments and reclamation projects going already?

Angelo gets ripped for his draft gaffes so he should also get credit for the best non-signing of his administration.

Read this and then let us know if you still want him.

From http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdo ... fl-wp10423

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Berrian cut by Vikings, takes historic ineptitude with him

By Doug Farrar

It's safe to say that when the Minnesota Vikings signed former Chicago Bears receiver Bernard Berrian(notes) to a six-year, $42 million contract with $16 million guaranteed money in March of 2008, they expected more than what they've received. In his 3 1/2 years as a Vikings receiver, Berrian amassed just 138 receptions for 1,925 yards and 11 touchdowns. In 2010 and 2011 combined, he put up just 35 total catches … and it's not as if he hasn't had the opportunities.

In his 2011 season, Berrian was targeted 23 times by Vikings quarterbacks, and he caught just seven passes. That 30 percent catch rate is the lowest in the 19-year history of Football Outsiders' metrics, which track catch rate for primary and ancillary receivers and tight ends going back to 1993. Berrian had never had stickum hands before — he had gone above 59 percent catch rate in just one season before — but this season has been ridiculous.

On Tuesday, the Vikings decided they'd had enough. Between his abysmal performance and off-field missteps, Berrian had made himself an impossible load to any roster to carry. The team released him, with head coach Leslie Frazier simply saying that "we did it based on some of the things that had happened."

Berrian was one of many missteps for the Brad Childress administration, though Childress certainly seemed happy about the signing when it happened. "We have the running game where we want, and you don't want to be one-dimensional in this league because they can gang up on you whether you're only passing it or running it, so this will help us average that out," the former Vikings head coach said when the deal was done.

Berrian never provided that balance — he never jelled with Brett Favre(notes), and as the team moved from Favre to other options, his playing time decreased even more. According to ESPN Stats & Info, Berrian's playing time had decreased drastically in each of the last four seasons — from 82.7 percent of all snaps in 2008, to 78.6 percent in 2009, to 56.1 percent in 2010, to just 49 percent this season. He was a healthy scratch for the Vikings' Week 7 loss to the Green Bay Packers last Sunday.

It was his second inactive designation in three weeks. Berrian is due $1.9 million this year as a vested veteran even after taking a pay cut, and the Vikings are on the hook for all of that unless another team picks him up.

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In Bernie's defense, I've never liked "targets" as a stat for receivers. This season, he may have had 6 targets a game, but 5 of those passes were either in the dirt or over his head. However, I'm positive that he'd flat out drop the sixth target. Keep him.

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well sure why not...

Why not? Because he sucks. Knox and Bennett are way better than Berrian is now.

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I also seem to remember Berrian never trying to defend a would-be interception in his time with the Bears. If it was going to a defender instead of him he would just let the guy intercept it and glare at the QB.

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I thought targets was "catchable" balls? If that's not the case than Aromshadu would have the lowest percentage in history if he has more targets and less catches than Berrian.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:35 am 
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I also seem to remember Berrian never trying to defend a would-be interception in his time with the Bears. If it was going to a defender instead of him he would just let the guy intercept it and glare at the QB.


Unfortunately Rex and Orton continued to throw him 50/50 balls.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:43 am 
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I also seem to remember Berrian never trying to defend a would-be interception in his time with the Bears. If it was going to a defender instead of him he would just let the guy intercept it and glare at the QB.


Unfortunately Rex and Orton continued to throw him 50/50 balls.

Still gotta try to make a play for them if you don't wanna be hung out to dry on a post route.

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What's funny about this is Angelo wanted to pay him more than Briggs. He wouldn't even talk to Briggs until Berrian signed with the Vikings. With Angelo it appears that it's more personal than business.

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Q.Bovifs wrote:
Sadly, I don't think that any receiver can simply be just plugged into Martz's offense.


Agreed. It's too complicated.

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Berrian was never more than an average receiver. The Bears were right to let him go into free agency, although they took some heat for it at the time.

I've always thought of Berrien as one of the luckiest athletes around in terms of money. He went on the market in a year when multiple teams needed a receiver and few receivers were available. It became a bidding war for him.

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His great leap for a Grossman "jump ball" propelled the Bears to the SB. But yeah,he was asking waaaayyyy too much money based on his on the field stats to be justified.

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