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Weird Wild Stuff....None of this excuses anything but...




Pujols called the hit and run in the seventh and then didnt swing.

Pujols was up front about his own decision to have Craig moving when asked about it in a one-on-one interview situation outside the main portion of the clubhouse on Monday.

"A hit-and-run was put on," Pujols told MLB.com.

"By who?" he was asked.

"By me, is that a problem?" added Pujols, who apparently relayed his signal through third-base coach Jose Oquendo.

The Rangers had hard-throwing Alexi Ogando on the mound, and as Craig took off, Pujols never offered at the pitch.

"It was a 99-mph pitch away that I couldn't even get my bat on," he said. "So I let it go."

Again in the ninth with Neftali Feliz on the mound, Craig on first base and Pujols at the plate, La Russa called a hit-and-run from the bench. Pujols swung through the pitch for strike three, and again Napoli nailed Craig at second base.

"That was a team play," Pujols said.

"Yeah, I trusted Albert could put the ball in play," La Russa explained. "In fact, two swings prior, he fouled the ball off with the second baseman going over [to cover the base]. The hole was there, and all of a sudden, it would have been first and third with nobody out. On the last pitch, [Feliz] has a very live arm, and it sailed on [Pujols] and he missed. I liked sending him and having a chance to open that inning up, and it didn't work."




Bullpen phone malfunction in the 8th.

La Russa made his first eighth-inning phone call after Michael Young doubled off Octavio Dotel to start the inning. With the game even at 2, bullpen coach Derek Lilliquist picked up, took the message and summoned Marc Rzepczynski to begin warming up.

Shortly afterward, La Russa looked down to the left-field bullpen and realized only one reliever was getting ready. During his call, he had asked for two: the lefty Rzepczynski and the right-handed Jason Motte.

Lilliquist later explained he never heard the second name.

When La Russa realized that Motte wasn't throwing, he said he made a second call to Lilliquist. More miscommunication ensued. La Russa again asked for Motte. This time Lilliquist heard Lynn, after which he hung up the phone and told right-hander Lance Lynn to start warming up.

"It's just like any other park," Lilliquist said. "You get a bunch of people and it's loud and he wanted Motte going easy to back [Rzepczynski] up, and I thought I heard Lynn."

Added La Russa: "It wasn't supposed to be Lynn because he wasn't going to pitch today."

La Russa had actually announced that to reporters two days earlier when, after Lynn threw 47 pitches in a Game 3 appearance, he said he would stay away from using the rookie reliever until, at earliest, Game 6.

Regardless, Lilliquist didn't question what he thought he heard. Nor was Lynn caught off guard by Lilliquist's directive to get ready.

"I was never told that I wasn't available," Lynn said. "I want to pitch every day. You're never surprised when you get a phone call. If you're surprised when you get a phone call, you're not ready to go. I'm always ready to go at any time."

La Russa's objective in getting Rzepczynski and Motte ready at the same time was to prepare for a pair of scenarios that the St. Louis manager knew might unfold as the inning progressed.

After Young doubled and Dotel struck out Adrian Beltre, La Russa had Dotel intentionally walk Nelson Cruz. La Russa followed by calling in Rzepczynski for the left-on-left matchup against David Murphy.

La Russa's initial plan had been to go in one of two directions:
-- If Rzepczynski gets Murphy out, La Russa would have Rzepczynski pitch around the right-handed-hitting Mike Napoli and then take his chances against left-handed-hitting Mitch Moreland.

-- If Murphy reaches, La Russa would call in Motte to counter Napoli.

Murphy did reach when his grounder caromed off Rzepczynski, changing directions enough that second baseman Nick Punto no longer had a shot at turning an inning-ending double play. That loaded the bases.

But because Motte had not started warming up after La Russa's first call to the 'pen, the Cardinals manager had no choice but to stick with Rzepczynski. It was a less-than-favorable matchup against Napoli, and one that seemed a surprising choice for onlookers, given how frequently La Russa matches up his pitchers so deliberately against opposing hitters.

Perhaps the least surprised was Rzepczynski, who, unaware that there had been any miscommunication, simply assumed his manager believed he could retire Napoli. He was asked afterward if he was at all surprised when La Russa did not make the pitching change.

"No, not at all," Rzepczynski said. "With Moreland being on deck, I knew I had another chance to face a lefty. I've gotten out Napoli before."

Three pitches into the at-bat, Napoli delivered a go-ahead, two-run double. It was Napoli's second hit in six career at-bats against the St. Louis lefty.

"He fouled [a slider] off and I went back at him for one more," Rzepczynski said. "If I bury it down and in, maybe it's on the ground and it's a double play and maybe we're still playing."

With two runners in scoring position, Rzepczynski did get a critical strikeout of Moreland for the inning's second out. That brought La Russa back out of the dugout, this time signaling for a right-hander reliever to face Ian Kinsler.

He was in for a surprise.

Thinking Motte would jog out of the bullpen, La Russa instead saw Lynn.

"I went, 'Oh, what are you doing here?'" La Russa said, unaware until then of the second phone mishap.

That presented La Russa with a new issue. He didn't want Lynn to pitch because of that lengthy outing Lynn made Saturday. But now La Russa had no choice, as there were no other ready relievers.

La Russa's solution was to have Lynn intentionally walk Kinsler. While he did, La Russa had Motte, who this time got the message, rushed to get ready. After ball four, La Russa returned to the mound and took the ball from Lynn, making Lynn just the third pitcher in World Series history to appear in a game solely to issue an intentional walk.

It was during this visit from La Russa that Lynn said he first found out about the communication gaffe.

Motte was in the dark much longer. It wasn't until a reporter asked Motte about the miscommunication in a postgame interview that he knew there had ever even been any.

"We don't try to overanalyze things," Motte explained. "When we're told to get up, we get up. It's as simple as that. We don't think, 'Oh, we should put this guy in.' That's not our job. Our job is to, when our name is called, get loose and put our focus on what we need to focus on and do our job.

"I don't sit out there and think, 'Tony should do this. Tony should do that.' I think everyone out there, when the phone rings, we get going when we're told. I started throwing when I was told to start throwing."

He ended up finishing out the inning with a strikeout to keep the deficit at two. But by then, the damage had been done.

Afterward, the miscommunication was blamed on noise, which, La Russa explained, made it hard for Lilliquist to hear. Several relievers noted afterward that the location of the bullpen phone adds to the difficulties, as it's in an area that gets especially loud during games.

"We can't even hear the phone ring out there," Lynn said.

"It was loud," Lilliquist added. "A lot of places are like that. The phone is as good as any phone anywhere."

La Russa said such a noise issue is not uncommon and suggested that smoke signals or ear mikes would perhaps be better options.

Obviously, the latter options were given in an apparent attempt to add a lighthearted note to an otherwise pointed news conference.

The laughs may have briefly broken some tension, but they did not sugarcoat the outcome. As a result of the communication blunders, the Cardinals are now staring at two must-win games.

"It must be loud," La Russa conceded. "I give the fans credit


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 Post subject: Re: World Series Thread
PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:23 am 
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I have never heard of crowd noise impacting a bullpen call.

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I have never heard of crowd noise impacting a bullpen call.

Not to mention TWICE.

He misheard him BOTH times?


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Two things...One, rain is in the forecast that could bump Game 6 from tomorrow night to Thursday night in St. Louis. Two, Rangers' manager Ron Washington has already decided to start lefty Matt Harrison, not Derek Holland, should the World Series need a Game 7.


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SHARK wrote:
Two things...One, rain is in the forecast that could bump Game 6 from tomorrow night to Thursday night in St. Louis. Two, Rangers' manager Ron Washington has already decided to use lefty Matt Harrison, not Derek Holland, should the World Series need a Game 7.

The first part of your post contradicts the second.


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No baseball tonight.

Game 6 postponed due to inclement weather.

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No baseball tonight.

Game 6 postponed due to inclement weather.

Well that sucks.


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Wonder if Berkman is pleading with LaRussa to start Carp on short rest in Game 7 instead of Lohse...you know, they just feel more comfortable behind him... :lol:


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lipidquadcab wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
No baseball tonight.

Game 6 postponed due to inclement weather.

Well that sucks.

Guys, it's not a sure thing Game 6 happens tomorrow either. Rain is still in the forecast for the St. Louis area. Game 7, now tentatively scheduled for Friday might be Saturday night if they are rained out tomorrow as well.


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Wonder if Berkman is pleading with LaRussa to start Carp on short rest in Game 7 instead of Lohse...you know, they just feel more comfortable behind him... :lol:

Gotta get there first :wink:

Wouldn't Holland be able to go in a potential Game 7? Washington's gotta trust him over Harrison I would think.

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lipidquadcab wrote:
Wonder if Berkman is pleading with LaRussa to start Carp on short rest in Game 7 instead of Lohse...you know, they just feel more comfortable behind him... :lol:

Gotta get there first :wink:

Wouldn't Holland be able to go in a potential Game 7? Washington's gotta trust him over Harrison I would think.

You would think that, but so far, Ron Washington hasn't changed his plan. Derek Holland gave the Rangers what that pitching staff hasn't in the MLB Playoffs in Game 4 Sunday night vs. the Cardinals in the World Serise. That's a quality start and then some.


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SHARK wrote:
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lipidquadcab wrote:
Wonder if Berkman is pleading with LaRussa to start Carp on short rest in Game 7 instead of Lohse...you know, they just feel more comfortable behind him... :lol:

Gotta get there first :wink:

Wouldn't Holland be able to go in a potential Game 7? Washington's gotta trust him over Harrison I would think.

You would think that, but so far, Ron Washington hasn't changed his plan. Derek Holland gave the Rangers what that pitching staff hasn't in the MLB Playoffs in Game 4 Sunday night vs. the Cardinals in the World Serise. That's a quality start and then some.

SHARK, I'd say what Lewis did in Game 2 qualifies as a quality start and then some...

...actually, a Friday/Saturday Game 6/7 wouldn't be so bad...I sure wouldn't be dragging ass at work the next day because I only got 5 hours of sleep.


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Holland would pitch on normal rest friday in Game 7.

SHARK is right though. I dont think they are getting two games in between now and friday. That would be crazy if a two game rainout completely changed the series because of who could pitch.


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When the series resumes, the Rangers & Cardinals are planning a couple of lineup alterations for Game 6 in St. Louis, weather permitting. Texas plans on starting Craig Gentry in center field, Josh Hamilton in left field & Michael Young at first base. David Murphy & Mitch Moreland will be benched for the Rangers. Also, I saw something on ESPN's BottomLine ticker that LF Matt Holliday was going to bat 4th right behind 1B Albert Pujols in the lineup.

Here's something else to chew on. While 67% of Game 5 winners have gone on to win the World Series, something the Rangers did in dramatic fashion Monday night, the Cardinals have gone on to win 4 of 5 WS titles winning Games 6 & 7 in franchise history despite being down 3-2 in a series like this.


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When the series resumes, the Rangers & Cardinals are planning a couple of lineup alterations for Game 6 in St. Louis, weather permitting. Texas plans on starting Craig Gentry in center field, Josh Hamilton in left field & Michael Young at first base. David Murphy & Mitch Moreland will be benched for the Rangers. Also, I saw something on ESPN's BottomLine ticker that LF Matt Holliday was going to bat 4th right behind 1B Albert Pujols in the lineup.

Here's something else to chew on. While 67% of Game 5 winners have gone on to win the World Series, something the Rangers did in dramatic fashion Monday night, the Cardinals have gone on to win 4 of 5 WS titles winning Games 6 & 7 in franchise history despite being down 3-2 in a series like this.

Man, I feel like I'm coming down on the SHARK today, but...Holliday batting 4th isn't a change...believe me, I was cursing his name every fucking time Pujols got intentionally walked on Monday.

Oh, and that stat about the Cards...I'm not even sure what 4 of 5 WS titles means when they've won 10 in their history.


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SHARK wrote:
When the series resumes, the Rangers & Cardinals are planning a couple of lineup alterations for Game 6 in St. Louis, weather permitting. Texas plans on starting Craig Gentry in center field, Josh Hamilton in left field & Michael Young at first base. David Murphy & Mitch Moreland will be benched for the Rangers. Also, I saw something on ESPN's BottomLine ticker that LF Matt Holliday was going to bat 4th right behind 1B Albert Pujols in the lineup.

Here's something else to chew on. While 67% of Game 5 winners have gone on to win the World Series, something the Rangers did in dramatic fashion Monday night, the Cardinals have gone on to win 4 of 5 WS titles winning Games 6 & 7 in franchise history despite being down 3-2 in a series like this.

Man, I feel like I'm coming down on the SHARK today, but...Holliday batting 4th isn't a change...believe me, I was cursing his name every fucking time Pujols got intentionally walked on Monday.

Oh, and that stat about the Cards...I'm not even sure what 4 of 5 WS titles means when they've won 10 in their history.
They've been down 3-2 in a World Series on 5 occasions, and have comeback to win 4 of their titles winning Games 6 & 7.


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Oh, and that stat about the Cards...I'm not even sure what 4 of 5 WS titles means when they've won 10 in their history.
They've been down 3-2 in a World Series on 5 occasions, and have comeback to win 4 of their titles winning Games 6 & 7.[/quote]
Ahh...well that makes sense...

...still not making me feel great about the whole thing, but yeah, it's nice.


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I fully believe it's going 7 games. Not sure who takes it then though.

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I fully believe it's going 7 games. Not sure who takes it then though.

The folks at FOX Sports are hopeful you are right, Redskingreg. It's been a ratings dud so far, even though it beat 2 bad NFL primetime games in the ratings Sunday & Monday respectively.


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I fully believe it's going 7 games. Not sure who takes it then though.

The folks at FOX Sports are hopeful you are right, Redskingreg. It's been a ratings dud so far, even though it beat 2 bad NFL primetime games in the ratings Sunday & Monday respectively.

If they aren't watching a pivotal game 5 with the biggest name pitcher in the series starting, why would people tune in for a game 7? Do you think the ratings will be significantly higher in a Game 7 SHARK?

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The ratings can S my D. I've thoroughly enjoyed the series, except for that game 5 shebacle (in the words of Deion Sanders).

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The ratings can S my D. I've thoroughly enjoyed the series, except for that game 5 shebacle (in the words of Deion Sanders).


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redskingreg wrote:
The ratings can S my D. I've thoroughly enjoyed the series, except for that game 5 shebacle (in the words of Deion Sanders).


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They should skip game 6 and play game 7 tomorrow as planned.


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