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I believe I heard this morning that Tebow has the best 4th quarter QB rating in the NFL.
What happens the other 3 quarters?


Dramatic tension.

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I believe God loves Tebow more.

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I believe God loves Tebow more.

Nah but its readily apparent he just absolutely hates Lil Danny BernStine :lol:
EDIT: Though I do love how the fucking announcers are sucking Tebow off and not giving any credit to the kicker who made 2 clutch 50 plus yard field goals as maybe a reason they won too.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
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I believe I heard this morning that Tebow has the best 4th quarter QB rating in the NFL.
What happens the other 3 quarters?


Praying for 4th quarter divine intervention.


Which apparently works! :shock:

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In my mind, the interesting thing about the whole Tebow experience, and it has received little play, is how the Broncos coaching staff has effectively designed a game-plan around Tebow's "skills." Is Hanie better than Tebow? I don't think so. But, he's not a lot worse, IMO. It's been a real feat of coaching to design an offense around a guy who can't throw worth shit, but Fox's staff has managed it. Not to say the Denver offense is good by any stretch, but they've done about as good as one could do with what they have. The Bears, by contrast, have done nothing whatever to make the most of their shit QB.

Tebow sucks as a QB, and I don't believe he'll ever be worth a damn. But for this stretch of games, the Broncos game-plan has been excellent in exploiting his strengths and minimizing his weaknesses. It wouldn't take the Bears doing much with their defense for them to beat shitty teams despite a bad offense; the Broncos have simply adapted better than the Bears.

ETA: the Brocnos will get crushed against competent NFL teams, and Tebow will never be the type of QB who will lead a team to a championship, but this episode has shown what creative coaching can do in a league with so much parity, and a bit too much conservative wisdom.


People who don't like him have the same arguments. He doesn't look good throwing the ball. He's inaccurate. His completion percentage is low, etc.

The reality is that they leave out the more important stats. He's 6-1 as a starter on a team that was 1-4 without him in the lineup, so he wins. He has more 4th quarter/OT winning drives than any other QB in the League in terms of percentage of games played, so he's clutch and you want the ball in his hand with the game on the line. The Broncos all of a sudden have the best rushing Offense in the NFL, demonstrating an ability to run the ball, control the clock, keep games close, and put the ball in Tebow's hands with the game on the line. The team has seen their 3rd down conversion percentage skyrocket, which is due to short yards to convert due to a running the ball and feature third and shorts with Tebow in the backfield, allowing them to keep drives alive, keep their Defense off the field, and keep the opposing Offense off the field. They've seen their time of possession skyrocket for many of the same reasons. And perhaps the #1 statistic for the guy? He has an 8:1 TD to TO ratio in the team's last 5 games. In other words, he doesn't turn the ball over.

So. Here is the recipe:

1. #1 Rushing Offense in the League with a QB who is arguably your best RB at the moment (mind you this team is missing their starting RB and for much of this run, was missing their #2 RB, as well)
2. Dominating Time of Possession
3. Have a very high 3rd down conversion percentage
4. DON'T TURN THE BALL OVER
5. Have a guy who is turning into one of the most clutch QB's in the NFL in just his first season as a starter, allowing the team to win close games (which they have a lot of as a run first/control clock style football team

What is so hard to figure out here? And why does this not equate to an outstanding football player? Because he doesn't stand in the pocket and fit your conventional wisdom of what a QB can do? How'd that work out for them when Orton was in the game?

/\ Win with Defense and have your QB NOT lose the game on Offense. Has to make one or two plays a game.


Yeah, it's working but its not ideal. Its building a team around a player who is not good at things vital to his position.

I think your argument supports the Coaching aspect more than Tebow being a good or outstanding player



Sorry BD, an Outstanding player on Offense needs to put up points ALL the time to be considered Outstanding.

It's great how well he does in the 4th but the other 3 quarters count too. Outstanding? Really?

How many QB's are better than him? 10 or 15?


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How many QB's are better than him? 10 or 15?


TJ Yates!!!!!


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Houston Homer wrote:
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How many QB's are better than him? 10 or 15?


TJ Yates!!!!!


:D


There are over 30 QB's that are better playing the position.

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HOVA wrote:
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How many QB's are better than him? 10 or 15?


TJ Yates!!!!!


:D


There are over 30 QB's that are better playing the position.


:lol:

I know...just let me have my moment!! :D

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HOVA wrote:
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How many QB's are better than him? 10 or 15?


TJ Yates!!!!!


:D


There are over 30 QB's that are better playing the position.

Wouldnt go that far.

He's better than Hanie


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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There are over 30 QB's that are better playing the position.

Wouldnt go that far.

He's better than Hanie


There are backup QB's that are better QB's than Tebow. There is no doubt in my mind. He's barely better than Hanie.

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Hanie had better stats today...No INTS...higher QB rating and a loss.

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Tebow only succeeds at the end of the game because the opposing teams play prevent defense. Plus having a quarterback that can get outside of the pocket with the option of gaining yards with his feet also comes in handy when the game is on the line. Don't be surprised if the Patriots don't beat the Broncos by 3 touchdowns next week.

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Tim Tebow may be the Anti-Christ.

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Tim Tebow may be the Anti-Christ.

I've told you this scenario is very possible TP...

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Paul writes that this Man of Sin will possess a number of characteristics.

These include "sitting in the temple", opposing himself against anything that is worshiped, claiming
divine authority, working all kinds of counterfeit miracles and signs, and doing all
kinds of evil.

Works for me. Tim Tebow is the Antichrist.

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I think many have a severe misconception of what a QB's job is. A lof of people put "winning games" on the backburner to things like standing tall in the pocket, throwing pretty passes, etc. The reality is that Tebow is an outstanding football player. You put him on the field and he finds ways to win football games. Even someone who hates him can see that. I think that is where many people's common sense is deceiving him. They see a fundamentally unsound QB and automatically refuses to admit that person can be a good at their position.


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He's a very good football player.

He's a below average to average quarterback.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
He's a very good football player.

He's a below average to average quarterback.


Well, what would you do with him, Peeps? I suppose he could play linebacker or fullback or tight end, but the guy wants to play quarterback and he's having success- or at least his team is. I think his best role is as a back-up QB that you can use in the Wildcat in the red zone or in other special formations. I think he has a lot of value like that. If he's starting for you, you have to be looking for a guy who can throw it better.

Regardless, he's getting talked about way too much. I don't think people like bernstein care about his football. There have been many worse quarterbacks in my lifetime. A lot of them played in Chicago.

bernstein hates him because he's constantly referencing a God bernstein considers a fiction. The 1-6 show has even worked up a fictional biography for Tebow that includes his hobbies (swimming and amusement parks) and favorite foods ("white trash" classics Chicken nuggets, ranch dressing). That shows what an unsophisticated rube he is to have accepted Jesus Christ as his personal savior.

Of course, if you are a Jewish atheist from the big city it is quite fine to enjoy ranch dressing, chicken nuggets (even the old school ones with gristle and veins and sometimes feathers), and other low culture staples like Waffle House hash browns, McGangbangs, and White Castles. The elitist man does not live on foie gras and Sauternes alone.

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Well, what would you do with him, Peeps? I suppose he could play linebacker or fullback or tight end, but the guy wants to play quarterback and he's having success- or at least his team is. I think his best role is as a back-up QB that you can use in the Wildcat in the red zone or in other special formations. I think he has a lot of value like that. If he's starting for you, you have to be looking for a guy who can throw it better.

Regardless, he's getting talked about way too much. I don't think people like bernstein care about his football. There have been many worse quarterbacks in my lifetime. A lot of them played in Chicago.

bernstein hates him because he's constantly referencing a God bernstein considers a fiction. The 1-6 show has even worked up a fictional biography for Tebow that includes his hobbies (swimming and amusement parks) and favorite foods ("white trash" classics Chicken nuggets, ranch dressing). That shows what an unsophisticated rube he is to have accepted Jesus Christ as his personal savior.

Of course, if you are a Jewish atheist from the big city it is quite fine to enjoy ranch dressing, chicken nuggets (even the old school ones with gristle and veins and sometimes feathers), and other low culture staples like Waffle House hash browns, McGangbangs, and White Castles. The elitist man does not live on foie gras and Sauternes alone.

The portion of this post concerning Dan Bernstein is extremely well written and, in my opinion, precisely on point.

"The elitist man does not live on foie gras and Sauternes alone." Brilliant!

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i agree with JORR's sentiment. it's not about tebow as a football player, it's him as an icon or idol. but that's done by the media, not by tim tebow. i do believe that tebow is genuine. the media is never genuine. this is not a "great story", they just want it to be. it's over the top. but it is intriguing, for sure. the packers are flirting again with perfection and you hardly hear about it compared to a team that has gone 6-1 (arizona's gone 5-1 btw) and probably will be one and done in the playoffs, or may make a run but won't get to the superbowl. and if they do, it's more because of their defense and running game than it is just tebow.

bernstein's over the top hate, however, is just as insufferable to listen to, because it's just as incessant, unintelligent and uninformed.


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I think Boers is the one with the over-the-top hate for Timmay.

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i think it's equal.


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I think you're wrong.

Dan at least admits Tebow is probably a genuine and nice guy.

Terry thinks he's one step away from being a child rapist.

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I think you're wrong.

Dan at least admits Tebow is probably a genuine and nice guy.

Terry thinks he's one step away from being a child rapist.

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Right.

Listening to the show lately it is Terrence who abhors Tebow whilst Daniel thinks he's Buddy the Elf.

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I think you're wrong.

Dan at least admits Tebow is probably a genuine and nice guy.

Terry thinks he's one step away from being a child rapist.


Tebow's from the Philippines, not Pennsylvania.


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