Do you think it's correct to compare the runs allowed by a guy who makes 15-17 of his starts in Chavez Ravine or Oakland or Seattle to the runs allowed of a guy who makes 15-17 in Texas or U.S. Cellular? I'm sure you don't.

So we have to have some other way to measure them. With regard to a what a pitching coach can and cannot affect, I'm sure the numbers on which you are attempting to judge Don Cooper would look much better if he happened to be coaching Justin Verlander making 17 starts per season in a huge park that is extremely difficult for batters.

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RPB, I think you are using the statistic incorrectly. The way you use it assumes all pitching staffs are equal at the beginning of the season and that the final ranking on the metric can then be attributed to factors exclusive to "ability".

Here is what I do know about Cooper, virtually every season sees a white sox pitcher have a season far above his previous anticipated abilites. These players are a diverse group, from broken down vets to busted draft picks.

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Park adjusted ERA?




Interesting. Do you think their talent pool has been below average in Coop's tenure?

Id guess right in the middle

I see. Well you can understand my confusion as to your target with the timing.


To be fair to BigFan, this WAS the top story on the SCORE update I heard this morning

That is getting a little far into it and trying to judge Cooper's effectiveness all it's own.

All im saying is the results have not been that great from a pure pitching standpoint under Cooper.

Meaning if you were just talking about team pitching over the last 10 years, The Sox would be average.



Agreed, he is good with reclamation projects and that is a big part of it.

Then again Rothschild had a nice record with those as well.

Rothschilde is a pretty well respected pitching coach

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That's my point, they ALL are.

One good year as a pitching coach = That guy know's what he's doing

One bad year as a manager= Fire this IDIOT

Hey Chief look at what he did with Humber

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Joe Cowley can go away anytime.

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Agreed.

Why isn't @NotJoeCowley commenting on this story?

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He cant keep up with the idiocy that is Cowley


Not joking, it's hard to keep up with all the dumb thoughts

What does this mean - "survival mode"?

John Danks comments' seem to reference Peavy and Cooper needing to sit down and figure some things out, but the other comment from an unnamed pitcher sounds as if Cooper had issues with several pitchers, however, the article doesn't say what the issues were or how they were treated differently.

Overall, wasn't the pitching staff, outside of the early struggles with the closer role, pretty much the strength of the team for most of the season? If so, how badly could Cooper, while in "survival mode", had been for the team?

I would choose Don Cooper in a second and so would the White Sox. Peavy has the one remaining season on his contract and he'll be gone barring a Cy Young type of season (and even then, I doubt he's back).

Cowley is still not over breaking up with Ozzie. Still crying every night, contemplating swallowing a bottle full of oxy and on and on....

Cowley is an A-1 piece of shit.

I decided to go back and review these threads started by me.

Most are just facts. No angle, not even commentary by me, just facts. Last 3 are Coop, Santos, Molina, nothing more than facts, so I am not sure where the angle is? If you don't like the facts, blame your team.

I don't like Kenny and there will never be a definitive measure of him being an overrated blow hard, but at this point he has done enough in my mind to prove he is nothing more than a glorified scout. When him and Robin have the blowout and Robin leaves, that will be the cherry on top.

I do not dislike Jerry R, but his deal with the State was nothing short of a bribe filled scam, that I have been talking about for years and recently some, even Sox fans, will agree it was a terrible deal for the state. It is the best deal any team has in MLB, by far.

Jerry is the most powerful owner in MLB. Many things happen that are originated from him or benefit him.

The FACT Mark Cuban was not allowed to buy the Chicago Cubs was because Jerry made sure it would never happen. This is not my opinion, this is fact.

I could go on and on.

You might not like some of things that are "ALL THINGS WHITE SOX", but they are what they are.

What if the State gave Tom Ricketts $20M to buy that McDonalds across the street? Plus gave him another $4M to rehab the place and put in new everything? Then all the money the place makes only goes to the Cubs? On top of all of that, the place does not make money and now the state will also need to supplement the operations? What would you say or think? is this fair "give and take" I would like your response to such a hypothetical scenario?

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Is it safe to assume there will be a half sauced Coop on M&H tomorrow morning?

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Oh boy! I thought I would never need another reason to NOT listen to Chicago's worst radio tandem!

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Do you listen every morning or just a few days a week?

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i don't care for cooper, too arrogant an condescending ..but i have heard him always have peavys' back and never be honest an say what everyone knows..peavy is done, his velocity is down and he will never come close to being the guy he was in the national league.

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He has always has Peavy's back. He covered for the guy all year and Peavy threw him under the bus a few times.

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