I'd rather have any of those qbs. Outside of Rivers, who had a terrible start to the year but was elite the second half, all of them had better numbers this year than Cutler has in his best year. It's a little hard to say for Schaub since he got injured but his numbers are still a lot better per game.




No, more like 12. Manning doesn't count and I don't think Cam Newton was.

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Right because you specifically dont like Jay Cutler because he ruined your fantasy of Kyle Orton winning a Super Bowl for the Bears.

I would agree on Rivers.

Schaub is a maybe.

You are wrong on Ryan and Romo

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Matt Ryan put up significantly better numbers than Cutler was.

We can only go by what we see on the field. It's probably true that the Falcons or Cowboys have more offensive talent but Romo and Ryan put up better numbers with that talent than Cutler ever has, including his time in Denver. Both of them threw for 30+ tds with 10-12 ints and a 61.3 or 66.3% completion percentage. Those are elite numbers and still they are near the bottom of the top ten QB's in the league.

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61%, 29-12 ratio, 7.38 ypa is good, not elite level. Especially considering the talent Atlanta has on offense.

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He's near the end of the top ten QB's in the league.

For the record, Ryan set a career high for tds, yards, rating, and was only 1.2% behind his career high completion percentage.


Not bad for a year of "regression".

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Would love to see Cutler get the chance at playing with Roddy White and Jones at WR. And T Gonz at TE.

I don't see Ryan having the Bears at 7-3 this year with the (lack of) talent on the offensive side of the ball.

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You also saw what Ryan did (not much) with a banged up Oline early in the season.

Cutler was able to lead the Bears on a 5 game winning streak with one of the worst Oline in the NFL.

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They just got Jones this year though. Ryan's numbers weren't that much better than last year. I do agree he's got good talent now.
Why not? I agree that Cutler played well in those 5 games but it's not like he was going for 350 a game with 4 touchdowns. His statistics in those games were very average. You don't think Matt Ryan could have put up yardage in the 200s and a touchdown or two a game?

I'm really not trying to be a Cutler hater here but it seems like a lot of people want to act like it was a miracle that Cutler could put up numbers that get Alex Smith called a "game manager".

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Come on Brick, you know the stats do not tell the whole story. Ryan does not have the mobility or athleticism that Cutler has. He would not have lasted nearly as long as Cutler did this year with the line. I am not sure Ryan could have put up average numbers with that line and talent around him.

Ryan has as much offensive talent around him as any QB in the league and yet his team has went backwards this year.

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Wasn't one of the major complaints about the Martz offense that they weren't letting Cutler use his mobility? It's not like Cutler was running JBills spread option offense here.

Cutler averaged about 230 yards a game in that winning streak and 1.4 touchdowns a game. I think Ryan could have done that too especially since Ryan has not only done statistically well this year but he has the past 3 years. His biggest problem seems to be that he didn't become elite like many thought.
I don't think they went backwards this year. I think they weren't as good as their record indicated and the Packers showed that when it mattered last year.

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You don't have to run the spread to use your mobility and athleticism. How many times did Cutler move a little and end up giving himself a few more secs to find an open receiver and then later in the year they started moving him around some. Ryan would be more of a statue back there than Cutler. Again stats do not tell the whole story.

Explain it however you want, but they went from a division winner who was the #1 seed last year to a hanging on to get a wildcard spot. Sounds like going backwards to me.

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Not true.

Thru week 11 Cutler was better.

Ryan closed with a great stretch of games. No picks in his last 4. But up until week 11 Jay was clearly better. We will never know how it would have ended.

He also has Roddy White and Julio Jones.

2 #1 types. The Bears dont even have a number 2.




And like I said, they both have far superior recieving cores.

You are grasping at straws now. I believe that Matt Ryan is a better quarterback. I don't need to ignore all games since Cutler was injured. If Matt Ryan leads the Falcons to the Super Bowl title do I have to ignore that too? We project Cutler's numbers over a 16 game season based on the play he had and he didn't do as well. Obviously, Cutler could have thrown for 5 touchdowns in all of those games but we can't really take that into consideration. Matt Ryan put up really good numbers this year.
Not compared to Denver. In fact, last year the receiving core was considered subpar and they had to pay a ton to get another WR.

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Cutler was rounding into form. And its not grasping. My statement was always thru week 11.

If you think Matt Ryan is better, you are free to think that and be wrong.




Not compared to Denver. In fact, last year the receiving core was considered subpar and they had to pay a ton to get another WR.[/quote]
Who is grasping at straws now?

They had fucking Roddy White. The Bears havent had a guy close to that in 15 years.

Just because they added to the core doesnt mean it wasnt already better then the Bears.


I think you are underestimating how bad the Bears WR are.

Oh well, you are entitled to your opinion

No, your statement was that Cutler was a top ten QB. You added that in later.




I don't know if you misread what I was saying but I'm saying that Cutler had equal talent in Denver at least last year. Adding in Jones probably gives the Falcons the edge but there is a reason why the Falcons had to pay a ton to get someone like Jones. Teams with a lot of talent at WR wouldn't do that.

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Not true

This is the original statement

He was this year til he got hurt


I don't know if you misread what I was saying but I'm saying that Cutler had equal talent in Denver at least last year. Adding in Jones probably gives the Falcons the edge but there is a reason why the Falcons had to pay a ton to get someone like Jones. Teams with a lot of talent at WR wouldn't do that.[/quote]
I was comparing it to the Bears.

What Cutler did in Denver 3 years ago isnt as relevant as the recent stuff.

I think Cutler is about the tenth best QB. You think he's 14th.

Its all good.

I wonder how Ryan has managed to avoid the "choker" label that Romo is saddled with.

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No famous gaffes like Romo.

Isn't consistently losing to good teams just as bad, if you yourself are part of supposedly a good team?

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The best part of Angelo's legacy was trading away Kyle Orton, thus bringing about literally dozens of threads about him on the CSFMB.

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Just answering why he doesnt have the Stigma

When Romo fucks up...he GOES BIG and he's the QB of the Cowboys


Nobody cares about the Falcons

Rick do you think they should trade or get rid of Cutler?

You know, as much as he failed in the draft Angelo's legacy is tied to Cutler's. If the Bears win a Super Bowl in the Cutler era, Angelo gets a large part of the credit for that Super Bowl victory. He just does.

Well, obviously if they could abuse another team in terms of draft picks it would have to be considered but in general I will say no.

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Matt Ryan must love Mike Smith. Seems like Smith is taking all the heat for yesterday's loss.

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Well Ryan did not make the horrible calls to go for it on 4th down instead of taking the points

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