They are certainly implying it. After all, it's been a common theme to put the reason for the Broncos success and them making the playoffs on Tim Tebow. If he could turn around a band of losers like the Broncos and make them one of the best teams in the whole league then he is great. That's kind of what it means when you claim that the QB is the one responsible for everything. It doesn't mean you think he's average. It means you think he's great.
I doubt it. If you are right, then there are a lot of people in this thread who are wasting a lot of time debating a QB who they think is average at best.

I'll submit though. You don't think Tim Tebow is great. Neither do I. Hopefully the other people that questioned me and others on our Tim Tebow thoughts will admit he's average at best like you are. Thanks for your apology. You'll be safe in 6 days.

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His running game also gave him no help against Pittsburgh?

Why are you laughing at my question about Eli? I think its fair enough. His completion % was almost as bad as Tebow's through the same point in their careers. Many were talking about Eli at the time the same way they talk about Mark Sanchez right now. I think its unfair to write off a 1st round QB after 16 starts.

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The Steelers arrogantly thought they could ignore Tebow.

They dared Tebow to beat them and he did.

Ben wasn't burned on one-on-one coverage on the outside in OT.

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You're doing it still. You cant stop apparently. Nobody implied he was great or that it was some maginificent feat to make the playoffs or called the Broncos one of the best teams in the league. Most of us just think Tebow can play NFL QB. You, Darko, and many others disagree. Thats the crux of the debate. Stop trying to change it to make your position easier to argue.

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I think Tebow has an interesting skill set that creates matchup problems for alot of defenses and is really entertaining to watch. Obviously I don't think he has great mechanics but through the power of Christ all things are possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5lSu6GkC2k

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Fair enough. You seem to be talking for them. Dr. Ken, Phil, and you thinking that Tebow is at best one of the 32 best QB's in the league. I can accept that. I apologize for misunderstanding them. In 6 days, I will not post quotes of them unless I find something that indicates they think he is better than he "can play NFL QB".

Thanks for the help FavreFan. I was worried that you thought Tebow was good. It's comforting to find out that you put him on the same level as Tarvaris Jackson and Matt Moore.

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Matt Moore and Jackson actually played half-decent football the second half of the season.

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Not by record.

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Then if we are going by record we agree that Tim Tebow is better than both of those QB's. Hallelujah.

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They both went 5-3 in their last 8 starts.

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So 5-3 to end the season is considered half-decent now?

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Tebow is an exceptional runner from the QB position.

He's a below average thrower of the ball - accentuated by his tendency to err on the side of not being close. In doing so, he avoids interceptions. He has the offseason (which he didn't have last year) to do the work he needs to do to become a more confident passer. All indications are, based on reports from teammates, that he is a hard-worker and so it does seem possible that he could improve his accuracy through practice and more familiarity with the offense.

He either will or he won't. I think he might.

All that said, he was predicted famously to fail this year and he did not. Henry Burris is a bad QB. Henry Burris would not get the Broncos to the playoffs. Tebow does things - effective running, ball-protection, and a propensity to make big plays late in games - that helped this team win. Many of those come-from-behind wins were the result of the Broncos taking the reins off Tebow because they were already behind. He came through in almost every one of those situations. That is a not a fluke. Those were active plays to win games late. That wasn't Kyle Orton handing off his rookie season to keep the other offense off the field.

If you had a belief that Tebow might have a place in this game at the QB position, then those beliefs were justified this year. If you thought he'd be a miserable failure, you were wrong.

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I though this was a bumped thread from a few weeks ago. Then kepts clicking back on the ages and realized it started today

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I think 5-3 is decent as a starter.

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I still don't see where BRick has apologized?

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My frame of reference is more for the people that were Teboners during the season.

Clearly, if someone before the season predicted that Tebow would lead the Broncos to the playoffs and win a game there they deserve credit. However, much of the "You guys said Tebow couldn't play!" stuff was simply people taking advantage after the fact that Tebow was at the time having success. It would be like if a guy came up to me and said "You didn't think the Giants were going to make the Super Bowl! HAHA". Of course I didn't, but it doesn't really mean much unless you were actively disagreeing with me back then, and willing to accept the mocking if you were wrong.

Tebowmania didn't really start until after they beat the Jets and the Chargers. It continued for those two weeks after as they beat a bad Vikings team, and then we all know what happened with the Bears game. It was at a fevered pitch after the Bears game. This was when people were the most in your face about it, as I will show in 6 days. The fact that over the next 5 games he was mostly terrible, and the team lost all but one game becomes important. If Tebow had gone 4-1 you know that this board would be filled with people like BD and JBills celebrating it. They can't disappear.

I'll go on record right now for next year saying the Broncos don't make the playoffs and don't have a winning record. I doubt that Tebow is even the starter by the end, and he goes to a more logical position of backup QB with some plays designed to use his football skills for the next year. He's not the future and the last 5 games were the real Tebow.

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My predictions for Tebow next year are humble. He will lead the Broncos to the Super Bowl and then smite his nonbelievers with a fiery chariot.

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My thought in October was that he should get 8-10 games to see what he can accomplish.

I thought he was more effective than I imagined he could be given his throwing ability. I don't think he needs to improve that much with his throwing to be very effective. He excels in other areas of the game. He'll never be a 65% completion guy but if he is in an offense that can keep the defense honest in its run defense, he can be very effective.

I learned 2 years ago not to predict the following NFL season in January. Ask Nas. But, I would put them as favorites in their division again.

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Who is playing the role of Midget in this thread and who has Bagels?

Also, if anybody has any idea on who is pissing off who tomorrow let me know, I need to do some homework for that battle.

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This is a thread for jbills and BD. That's who Rick is referencing.

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JBills can't post because someone here on the board keeps turning off his computer. I don't have anything funny to say about BD because I don't remember any of his posts ever.

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I can respect that. He deserves that. However, after those 8-10 games, there were lots of people calling others out, specifically BD and JBills, for being "wrong" about Tebow. I would think even you, a non-FavreFanian type person, can admit that the last 5 games of Tebow were troubling. There were many that were acting like Tebow had proven that he was ready. The last 5 games indicate otherwise.

That's why they get a chance to apologize for calling others out. I'm nice like that. They probably want to get it in before Tebow gets benched.

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They were the two offenders of the crowing after He won, then being quiet when He lost.

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FF, I'm LOLing at your comparison of Eli and Tebow because it is ridiculous. Not even remotely the same kind of QB.

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Nobody's really the same kind of QB as Tebow. But do you not remember Eli's first couple years? The word bust was used several times. Thats why Im LOLing at you writing a guy off after 16 games.

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Am I the only person that laughs when the Citizen watch commercial comes on and its all about Precision and how Eli Manning personifies it? Is Eli proving the world wrong about being a bust surely but when I think accurate precision passing Eli is pretty low on that list. Almost as low as Tebow.

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Dude. Just slow down. Eli and Tebow are NOTHING alike. One has actual quarterbacking skills. The other can run better. That's it.

Aren't you the guy who ranked Eli manning Tier 4 last fall?

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Hey Dat Mike Quade won 5 games for every 3 games he lost in his first season too. LITERALLY!

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Yes I did. He had a bad season last year. He's had a great season this year. Obviously he would be higher in the tiers now, as Ive acknowledged throughout the season. It still is a prime example that its silly to write a QB off after 16 games. And Tebow does have talent. As Ken said, a guy like Burris does not have NFL talent and wouldnt have done what Tebow did this season. Tebow has shown more than enough flashes of talent and potential this season for you to take the Urlacher route and call him a good RB.

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Can we at least all agree that Caleb Hanie sucks?

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