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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:55 am 
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This writer seems a little harsh to me


Jeff Passan, Yahoo! Sports
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The worst part about Josh Hamilton’s relapse is that he didn’t care. The most famous addict in sports does not go to a bar in the town where he is best known without full knowledge that his exploits will become public in a matter of hours. That it took three full days for Hamilton’s latest relapse to go viral – and that incriminating pictures have yet to surface – is something of a miracle.

What we know at the moment, from the Dallas Morning News report and confirmation by the Texas Rangers, is that Hamilton drank Monday. The particulars – was he drunk, why did he drink and was he really letting women at the bar grab his butt? – don’t matter as much as the act. With addicts they never do. Sobriety is black and white. Black won Monday.


That it prevailed in such open fashion is what should scare Hamilton’s family as well as the Rangers. Only Hamilton understands why he would choose such a setting to drink, whether it was the empowerment of doing what he wants, where he wants, when he wants, or if it was his way of asking for help as he floats about without an accountability partner. After his spectacular fall off the wagon in January 2009 that included pictures of him licking whipped cream off a woman’s fake breasts, Hamilton knew the second alcohol touched his lips he was vulnerable not only to its seductive ways but to the gossipy culture that is making secrets an anachronism.

Hamilton does care, of course, even if for the tiniest sliver of time it eluded him. He has said so to me and to his friends and to millions of people who see him for what addicts can achieve, and there’s no reason not to believe him. A temporary slip in that does not represent weakness. It is a symptom of addiction’s vagaries. And those moments are the toughest for every addict to confront. Some reach that nadir and stop. Others fight and claw and battle and cave. Hamilton has seen some lows. Falling asleep in a ditch whacked out on crack. Being immortalized in a Deadspin photo montage. The devil in him is strong.

And because he can’t beat it – because even though he’s got the greatest job in the world and a newborn daughter and so very much, it’s just not that easy – the severity of the consequences are hastening.

That long-term contract Hamilton wanted from the Rangers? Gone. It has to be. Already the Rangers had shown little inclination to lock up long-term a player who two years ago won the American League MVP award despite missing the final month. Texas, like most other clubs, fears Hamilton’s body, brittle from his years of drug abuse, won’t hold up. Whatever leverage Hamilton held is kaput, and only the madness of free agency will land him a payday.

All it takes is one screw-up, one moment different than the millions of good ones, and an addict self-inflicts another scar. Like Hamilton said when acknowledging his wild night out three years ago, “Some people it just don’t mix with, and I’m one of those people.”

Hamilton’s forthrightness about his struggles – his honesty about the night three years ago, about the depths of his addiction – means he almost certainly will talk publicly about this. And as he is so good at doing, Hamilton will placate the sadness that permeates his fan base today through words of encouragement and strength and hosannas to how through God’s help and his family’s love he’ll persevere and win this lifelong battle.

That’s all addicts can offer. There will be those who call them hypocritical or weak-minded or full of excuses. Such ignorance never ceases. Sobriety for those who struggle the most is merely a moment between relapses – hopefully a moment longer than the last, one that eventually lasts forever.

Hamilton has lasted three years, and once again in the middle of an offseason he failed. Like last time, too, it was in full view for everyone to witness. Only now the stakes are higher, the money bigger, the team better – and the sober clock back at zero.

Whether Hamilton needs rehab or someone to babysit him or nothing at all is up to him, though that decision comes with consequences. For addicts, every decision does because every decision ultimately leads back to the most vital thing in their life: sobriety. It is their sine qua non. A sober Josh Hamilton is a role model, a paragon of perseverance, a pillar for addicts trapped in dark tunnels.

Sober, he is great.

On Monday, when he wasn’t, he was just another guy who didn’t care.


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The absolute best draft pick <rule 5> that Hendry every made.......and then immediately traded to the Reds.

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If the guy was drunk for one day, thats like being clean for him.

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the guy who wrote that is a jackass.

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That was a pretty harsh and judgemental piece there.

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If the guy was drunk for one day, thats like being clean for him.

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hmm, yeah, he wanted attention or something i'm guessing. if he really relapsed, he'd tell absolutely nobody about it... and he'd slowly build it up to where he got pulled-over/arrested with a tiner of coke, 24 oxycontin pills, and the dankest marijuana on this side of the steroids in nelson cruz's locker.

if he's supposedly drinking once and "coming clean" then he's either 1) lying about the volume/choice-of-drugs or 2) just wanting some attention. don't forget his 24/7/365-escort recently left the team, so the cry-for-attention dept is likely running at full capacity nowadays.

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The absolute best draft pick <rule 5> that Hendry every made.......and then immediately traded to the Reds.


He never would of succeeded being around Wrigleyville on a daily basis.

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Jeff Passan is an idiot.


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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Jeff Passan is an idiot.


I'm going to use Freshman year psych here. I'd put money on Mr. Passan's dad, or someone close to him being an alcoholic or drug addict. He's transferred that anger to Hamilton.

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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Jeff Passan is an idiot.


I'm going to use Freshman year psych here. I'd put money on Mr. Passan's dad, or someone close to him being an alcoholic or drug addict. He's transferred that anger to Hamilton.


I blame Dan Bernstine.


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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Drop In wrote:
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Jeff Passan is an idiot.


I'm going to use Freshman year psych here. I'd put money on Mr. Passan's dad, or someone close to him being an alcoholic or drug addict. He's transferred that anger to Hamilton.


I blame Dan Bernstine.


That's the correct answer for anything. Problem solved.

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Way to steal that.

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He knew that he couldn't control himself any more and put himself in the safest place he could where he knew that his support staff and others would find out quickly. What a sad and pathetic article. If he truly "didn't care" he'd be in Vegas doing it in a hotel room where he would get away with it.

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Jerry: Oh, wait a second, I believe we have a heckler ladies and gentlemen. Hey Dick I don't know what your problem is. It's not my fault you're back on the wagon.

Dick: It's off the wagon.

Jerry: In the old days how do you think they got the alcohol from town to town?

Dick: I don't know.

Jerry: On the wagon. Don't you think they broke into a couple of those bottles along the way?

Dick: You can't drink on a wagon it would be too bumpy.

Jerry: They had smooth trails. What about the Cumberland Gap?

Dick: What the hell do you know about wagons?

Jerry: I know enough not to get on them.

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I believe a copy of his statement for the presser has been leaked.

"God, God, God, Lord and Savior, forgiveness, God, God, Jesus Christ, God, God, one bad night, Lord and Savior, Accountabilibuddy, God, God, God, forgiveness, savior, prayer, God, God Jesus Christ my lord and Savior, God, God, Contract extension"

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Sucks for him. Sadly I doubt he'll live long after his baseball career ends.


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I believe a copy of his statement for the presser has been leaked.

"God, God, God, Lord and Savior, forgiveness, God, God, Jesus Christ, God, God, one bad night, Lord and Savior, Accountabilibuddy, God, God, God, forgiveness, savior, prayer, God, God Jesus Christ my lord and Savior, God, God, Contract extension"

No. That was Tim Tebow's presser.

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Obviously it's a ploy by the owners to drive down his contract negotiations...


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Obviously it's a ploy by the owners to drive down his contract negotiations...

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In the past year the man has inadvertantly contributed to the death of another man and watched as a foul ball he hit smashed the face of a third.

The fact that he hasn't relapsed to the point of snorting angel dust off of a speeding bullet by this point is a miracle.


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If the guy was drunk for one day, thats like being clean for him.

:?:


If you know how bad he was at one time, getting drunk is nothing for this guy. Yes, I understand the whole thing about him being an addict and thus he cant take anything, but being drunk one day is a far stretch from gone missing for 2 weeks, not sleeping and doing meth in an empty semi for days on end. Which he did many many times for periods longer than this.

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This Hamilton guy is enough to make a manager to start doing bl...oh wait!

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If you know how bad he was at one time, getting drunk is nothing for this guy. Yes, I understand the whole thing about him being an addict and thus he cant take anything, but being drunk one day is a far stretch from gone missing for 2 weeks, not sleeping and doing meth in an empty semi for days on end. Which he did many many times for periods longer than this.


Do you think it would be better or possible for alcoholics/addicts to learn to manage their behavior rather than stop it? I wonder sometimes.


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If you know how bad he was at one time, getting drunk is nothing for this guy. Yes, I understand the whole thing about him being an addict and thus he cant take anything, but being drunk one day is a far stretch from gone missing for 2 weeks, not sleeping and doing meth in an empty semi for days on end. Which he did many many times for periods longer than this.


Do you think it would be better or possible for alcoholics/addicts to learn to manage their behavior rather than stop it? I wonder sometimes.


I think not being able to manage it is what makes them alcoholics/addicts. If they could manage it, I'm sure they would prefer to still indulge from time to time.

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Maybe. It really wouldn't be a feasible plan for the harder drugs. Are there any in existance to manage or control the amount of alcohol eventually? There might be a point after you quit that you can then do it responsibly. There is something jarring to me about never ever having a drink again. Like it would drive me to absolutely fall off the wagon get plowed blind drunk on occasion.

Like when people fast or diet. They gorge afterward.


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