Maybe, if they expanded football across the world and Tebow played for the "B" division in South America and led his team to a Super Bowl over a Patriots team that was considered one of the best ever and football suddenly became almost as popular in South America as soccer.

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Don't take it personally.

Beckham now maybe, but over his career he was actually a really good player. I believe he finished runner up in the World Player of the Year voting on a couple of occasions. His career accomplishments are much more than Namath. But you could compare it to his MLS career maybe.

Why? He's made it clear that he thinks Eli is no better than Grossman. Shortly after he posted that I asked him to clarify his position - why does he put Eli Manning in the same category as Rex Grossman. I've stated that I don't understand his analolgy, particularly after the season Eli had this year. I even asked in the SHARK thread if Eli won the Superbowl would he still consider Eli, Grossman with two rings.

Now that Eli has led his team to two Super Bowl titles, I'm sure he'll come on here to tell us why he thinks so poorly of Eli. Until then I'll just reiterate that I just understand the basis for his analogy.

Why is Joe Namath being mentioned so prominently in a thread about Eli "RGW2R" Manning?

The silence from Shark! is deafening. I have publicly demanded that he apologize to Eli "RGW2R" Manning, but he has refrained from commenting.

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At least he can still call Aaron Rodgers "Rex Grossman with a ring" since it's true.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Because you make stupid statements and refuse to back away from it once proven false. Sad.

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Peyton will still win the post-football career competition. I can't understand why he'd risk his health to come back.

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Am I wrong for still not liking Eli and believing the Patriots had more to do with losing the game than he had to do with winning it?

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I dont know... that last drive was pretty damn well done.

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There was a great catch involved too. Let's be honest the Pats secondary sucked all season. Even Rex Grossman torched that defense.

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I'll say this, Eli needs to be on a good team to be good. I dont think he could carry a bad team to be OK but he can take a good team and make it great. Does that make any sense? I just feel like he is a front running son of a bitch.

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I just think you're underestimating Namath. I think a few people in this thread are. And I think danny bernstein was definitely underestimating him by fixating on the interceptions. The guy was a five time Pro Bowler. He lead the league in passing yardage three times. He threw for 4000 yards in 1967. That's probably like if a guy today threw for 6000.

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Don't take it personally.

I'll say this, Eli needs to be on a good team to be good. I dont think he could carry a bad team to be OK but he can take a good team and make it great. Does that make any sense? I just feel like he is a front running son of a bitch.[/quote]

Hicks has 10 catches, very few of which were easy to make, and Eli gets MVP.

The dude has more pissy faces than Cutler and nobody ever calls him out on it.

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Hicks has 10 catches, very few of which were easy to make, and Eli gets MVP.

The dude has more pissy faces than Cutler and nobody ever calls him out on it.[/quote]
Im guessing if Cutler even wins 1 ring in Chicago you will no longer hear about his "body language".

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Hicks almost had a couple turnovers.

Yeah, the Giants fumbled what, 4 times, and recovered them all.

Except for the one that was nullified by the 12 men on the field penalty.

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No, but Marvin Miller belongs there more than many players, certainly any commissioner, umpire or owner.

And back to the ol' football-eroo, Namath doesn't really belong in the HOF, imo.

Namath's career, as brightly as it beamed in the late 60's wasn't productive enough for a long enough period. Even in the glowing HBO documentary his former teammates talked about how by '69 enough was enough from him & his (perceived selfish) ways. A lot of his picks were due to the fact that the offense he ran was excessively vertical, but many/most of those were mindless gunslinger type throws as well. Oddly enough, just like Eli.

Again imo, If you're only really going to have 5-6 really productive years, you'd better be a helluva lot more like Koufax or Sayers instead of Bert Jones if you want to be a legit HOFer for your play on the field.

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I think I've laid out the case for Namath in the Hall. He's more important than his overall career numbers suggest. He's the main reason there's a single league. His importance goes beyond his numbers.

I'm hesitant to compare him to Jackie Robinson, because clearly the integration of the major leagues is a bigger story for American society than the establishment of the Super Bowl. But there are similarities in that as good as Jackie was, he's a short career borderline guy if not for the things that made him significant- which really have little to do with his actual play on the field.

There are reasons these guys were who they were. Monte Irvin was probably a better player than Jackie but he lacked the temperment, the college credentials, the polish that Jackie had that made him ideal to be the first guy.

Similarly, Namath's big personality in combination with his place in New York were critical components that aided the quick absorption of the AFL into the NFL and Namath's Super Bowl, including the publicity from his "guarantee", were crucial steps in the path the game has taken toward becoming what it has- a secular American holiday that probably exceeds Christmas, Thanksgiving, and the Fourth of July. Daryle Lamonica had a better TD/INT ratio but he never played catch with Bobby Brady. And there's a reason for that.

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Don't take it personally.

I do believe Namath deserves to be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame -- based mainly on the historical impact of the Super Bowl III win. BTW, the HBO special was excellent!
But, it's truly a disservice to Robinson to evoke Namath's name in the same breath.
Robinson's crossing of the color barrier impacted all sports -- Namath's accomplishments really only impacted professional football.
Jackie also had the stats (.311 batting average).
Joe threw 47 more INTs than TDs.

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Thanks jerk.

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I was pretty careful to make clear that I don't equate the huge step forward pro football took after Super Bowl III to Robinson breaking the color line. My comparison is based on the fact that both guys had an impact beyond their numbers, which in both cases were very, very good, though perhaps short of the Hall of Fame without their other, more significant contributions considered.

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Don't take it personally.

To hear it from the NFL, every game is the greatest game in NFL history until the next one. They're a nationally embraced Tony Schiavone.

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Only on this goofy message board could a mediocre New York Jet from the 1960's dominate a thread that was started in honor of the reigning Super Bowl Most Valuable Player, one of only five (5) players to have ever won that award more than once. Thank you, Joe Orr Road.

If you started a thread that was actually about Joe Namath, Joe Orr Road would immediately begin talking about Johnny Unitas for ten pages.

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There are a few of us here worldly enough to see right through your obnoxious old school New Yorker contempt for the Jets. The fact that Namath's singular victory was far greater than any by Y.A. Tittle or Rex Grossman Jr. is precisely my point.

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Don't take it personally.

People telling me Eli is an all time great is going to make me sick. Especially when my eyes say he is slightly above average. He doesn't deserve to be in the HoF but he will.

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By definition, can't be. Let's say, we're on committee deciding about Eli and Brady, several years from now. We decide, looking at the stats, that some old timers really don't deserve to be members. We throw out Joe Montana. WTF?

'Best of best' is not as meaningful as you'd like. Different eras, different rules, different nutrition, blah-de-blah-blah.

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is eli an "all-time great"? who gives a shit. is he going in he hall of fame? who cares. all i care about is the big shiny trophy with the football on top. as long as this team stays together for a few more years and stay relatively healthy they may have a chance to win another one. i coudnt care less if any of these guys make the HOF, just bring more championships.

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