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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:53 pm 
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If you are truly thinking long term wouldn't protecting your potential franchise QB be the priority? I could give a crap if Lovie gets an extension or what but I would like to see Cutler finish the season healthy for a change.
How many games has Cutler missed with an injury caused by lack of protection? His injury this year was not caused by anyone but him trying to make a tackle and I don't know if anyone knows where he was injured in the NFC title game the year before.

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Free Agency comes before the draft. A lot of this will be decided by who they are able to get.

Im crossing my fingers that some Tackle has a fallout/contract dispute with their team and becomes availabe.


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If you are truly thinking long term wouldn't protecting your potential franchise QB be the priority? I could give a crap if Lovie gets an extension or what but I would like to see Cutler finish the season healthy for a change.
How many games has Cutler missed with an injury caused by lack of protection? His injury this year was not caused by anyone but him trying to make a tackle and I don't know if anyone knows where he was injured in the NFC title game the year before.


Are you arguing that your potential for injury does not increase in proportion to the number of times you are hit?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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If you are truly thinking long term wouldn't protecting your potential franchise QB be the priority? I could give a crap if Lovie gets an extension or what but I would like to see Cutler finish the season healthy for a change.
How many games has Cutler missed with an injury caused by lack of protection? His injury this year was not caused by anyone but him trying to make a tackle and I don't know if anyone knows where he was injured in the NFC title game the year before.

Well he definately missed the 2nd half of the Giants game 2 seasons ago and the resulting Todd Collins Carolina peformance based on injuries caused by a lack of protection. I guess you could argue that this season having a better WR who doesn't inexplicably fall down would keep him healthier and on the field. But I guess I would just prefer Cutler to get hit less often and roll the dice that he stays healthy with better protection than going the other way and letting Frank Omayele suit up again.

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How will Tice utilize Cutler better if he's not even trusted to call passing plays?

At the very least it will be nice to have an OC that will allow Cutler to make some audible calls at the line

Also one thats willing to adapt and design things around Cutler's talent instead of trying to squeeze Cutler into his system


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Are you arguing that your potential for injury does not increase in proportion to the number of times you are hit?
No, but I'm saying that he hasn't really had injury issues because of protection more than would be expected for any QB not named Manning who seem to never get hurt.

He missed more games for the Bears because he was trying to make a tackle than he did playing QB.

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Are you arguing that your potential for injury does not increase in proportion to the number of times you are hit?
No, but I'm saying that he hasn't really had injury issues because of protection more than would be expected for any QB not named Manning who seem to never get hurt.

He missed more games for the Bears because he was trying to make a tackle than he did playing QB.

Because he's a bad ass and can take 9 Sacks in one afternoon



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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Are you arguing that your potential for injury does not increase in proportion to the number of times you are hit?
No, but I'm saying that he hasn't really had injury issues because of protection more than would be expected for any QB not named Manning who seem to never get hurt.

He missed more games for the Bears because he was trying to make a tackle than he did playing QB.


So, what are you trying to say? That the Bears offensive line is fine as is because Cutler is a tough SOB?

I don't think you'd make a good GM.

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Because he's a bad ass and can take 9 Sacks in one afternoon


He'd have done that before it was halftime in America.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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How will Tice utilize Cutler better if he's not even trusted to call passing plays?

At the very least it will be nice to have an OC that will allow Cutler to make some audible calls at the line

Also one thats willing to adapt and design things around Cutler's talent instead of trying to squeeze Cutler into his system

Again, aren't the Bears not willing to trust Tice to do that? Isn't he not even in charge of the passing game?

I could be hired as the OC tomorrow and try to tailor a gameplan to Cutler's skills, but I'd likely be ridiculously overmatched against any opposing DC. Obviously that's an extreme example, but there's zero evidence that Tice will be better than Martz as an OC.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
So, what are you trying to say? That the Bears offensive line is fine as is because Cutler is a tough SOB?

I don't think you'd make a good GM.
Read the quote I was responding to. Phil McCracken stated that he'd like Cutler to finish a season healthy. My point was that most of the injuries Cutler has had were not caused by a lack of protection.

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Again, aren't the Bears not willing to trust Tice to do that? Isn't he not even in charge of the passing game?

He will call the plays. He's already spoke of having more plays where Cutler releases on the run.

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I could be hired as the OC tomorrow and try to tailor a gameplan to Cutler's skills, but I'd likely be ridiculously overmatched against any opposing DC. Obviously that's an extreme example, but there's zero evidence that Tice will be better than Martz as an OC.

He's called plays as a Head Coach.

The evidence is that he is willing to do things that are likely a way better fit for the personnel. I havent said he'll be great or even good. I just think its nice to see them trying to utilize Cutler correctly


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
So, what are you trying to say? That the Bears offensive line is fine as is because Cutler is a tough SOB?

I don't think you'd make a good GM.
Read the quote I was responding to. Phil McCracken stated that he'd like Cutler to finish a season healthy. My point was that most of the injuries Cutler has had were not caused by a lack of protection.

Even if the last two injuries that ended Cutler's seasons were not a result of bad protection moving foward I would prefer Cutler to have better protection as to minimize the hits he takes which could result in future season ending injuries.

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Again, aren't the Bears not willing to trust Tice to do that? Isn't he not even in charge of the passing game?

He will call the plays. He's already spoke of having more plays where Cutler releases on the run.

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I could be hired as the OC tomorrow and try to tailor a gameplan to Cutler's skills, but I'd likely be ridiculously overmatched against any opposing DC. Obviously that's an extreme example, but there's zero evidence that Tice will be better than Martz as an OC.

He's called plays as a Head Coach.

The evidence is that he is willing to do things that are likely a way better fit for the personnel. I havent said he'll be great or even good. I just think its nice to see them trying to utilize Cutler correctly

He was an awful Head Coach and was mocked for years for his stupid Randy Ratio. I dont think that evidence is what you wanna use.

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This is the guy they wanted but he told Jay no. Thought they wouldn't ask again.

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This is the guy they wanted but he told Jay no. Thought they wouldn't ask again.
The initial turn down by Bates was caused by Jerry Angelo and his "poor communication" during the vetting process.

For the eternal Orton-worshipper....

2011 Injury - Cutler injured making a tackle thanks to "Slippy" Knox.
2010 Injury - Cutler injured (knee) during a GB safety blitz due to poor protection during the NFC Championship game.
Early-2010 Injury - Cutler injured (concussed) during the Giants game due to poor protection

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2011 Injury - Cutler injured making a tackle thanks to "Slippy" Knox.
Not on protection.
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2010 Injury - Cutler injured (knee) during a GB safety blitz due to poor protection during the NFC Championship game.
Not on protection. It was a blitz after all. It's not exactly unheard of that a QB gets hit on a blitz.
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Early-2010 Injury - Cutler injured (concussed) during the Giants game due to poor protection
On protection.

Thanks for proving my point Bumpkin!

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Yeah I hate when Noisewater pays hosts to drum up support for his opinions.


Bowe, Jackson, Wayne, Colston, all should be available and its a good draft for WR (or looks to be)


So, you agree with everything I wrote. Thanks, I knew you'd come around.

Bowe - only cold weather "outdoor" guy in that gang.


You happen to see Jackson light up the Bears at Soldier in December?

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So when the Bears go 8-8 what excuses will we use?


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Country Bumpkin wrote:
2010 Injury - Cutler injured (knee) during a GB safety blitz due to poor protection during the NFC Championship game.


Country, do you know that for sure, exactly which play it was? I still have that game on the DVR and would love to look it up. I've seen several plays where it might have happened, but I didn't know it was ever proven which one.


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