You are really starting to stretch here, JORR.

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Of course that guy is still a Muslim, if he calls himself one. Who are we to question his faith? I'm guessing the number of Christians who don't live strictly by the bible is sky-high. I disagree with your last sentence, obviously.

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I know you typed that in bernstein's meatball voice. That's how I read it anyway.

I guess I can put that in a better way. Anyone can be whatever they want. But if you're choosing to be part of a group that supports all kinds of ideas and philosophies that are diametrically opposed to the values of the country you're residing in and the values of the vast majority of citizens of that country, you should expect what comes with that.

I just watched a Gangland episode on white supremacists. The majority of guys in the group broke no laws, at least not that they showed or explained. But we judge them by their beliefs and the ideas they support.

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Naturally they saw the size of your head (which is bigger than mine) and felt the public was at risk.

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Let me put it more simply. There's a vast difference between judging someone based on his ideas and judging him based on the color of his skin.

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JORR - you're almost proving my point from earlier again now by comparing Muslims to white supremecists. The vast majority of Muslims, especially here in the US, are very peaceful. One of the Ivy league professors did a study not long ago and found that a Christian is 3x more likely to justify violence over his beliefs than a Muslim. I'll try to find it.

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Listen to the river sing sweet songs
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Very emotional moment.

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I think you could replace Muslim with people of middle eastern descent and everything I said in this thread would still be just as true.

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And I just told you the vast majority of white supremacists on that show were peaceful. We don't revile them for their actions but for their fucked-up ideas. Do Muslims consider a woman the equal of a man? Well, how the fuck can you square that with American culture?

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All of you guys are gonna be responsible for a very tragic event someday. I hope you feel a lot of shame when that time comes.

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When they ran your plates, they noticed that your registration was in Rockford. Talk about a danger to society!

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Those cops have got S.C.M.O.D.S.

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Non-criminal and peaceful person are not synonymous.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
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What did they say and how did they treat you?

a friend of mine who's british indian gets detained nearly every time he flies.

I'll bet Zambrano thought you were Derek Lee coming to get some retribution and called the cops .

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Maybe your friends a terrorist....

yes, there is a great underground british indian population that needs to be watched i guess. they may blow up a building with a curry bomb #ohmygoshthatsstereotypingracism

Who knows why they're detaining your friend? Yeah, it's probably because of his ethnicity. You can't really tell a terrorist by his looks. But the fact is that recent terror attacks on planes have been carried out as part of a Muslim jihad. I'm guessing your friend isn't a Muslim. Which opens up the question of whether Muslims (or Saudi nationals or whoever)- or those that fit the profile of them based on looks, actions, etc.- should be targeted for greater security measures. That's a sensitive subject.

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it's racial profiling. that's the point. he's "brown" as they say. so because of that, he gets detained as if he were muslim. he's from india and grew up in england.

What do you mean detained? Like, he's taken to a private room and questioned? I've flown to and from New York a lot, and they have stricter security standards, and the most I've seen anyone get is a more thorough bag search(my wife included).

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that may have happened; but he's always held back. don't nitpick the word, BRick. what i mean is that he's being racially profiled. i thought that point was rather obvious...

I understand it's racial profiling. But as a society we seem to have agreed that flying on a commercial airliner is a special privilege. The rights we have as American citizens don't really exist once you make the choice to get on that commercial jet. Would you agree with that? For me, that concept is reinforced every damn time I fly. So I'm suggesting that it isn't the same thing as pulling spmack over for driving while black in River Forest.

Like I said, it's a sensitive subject. For me personally, I'd be willing to take special flights where those getting on them agreed to waive all security measures and take our chances just so I didn't have to stand in line and take off my fucking shoes. The reality is, that isn't going to happen. So the question becomes, should resources be spent searching and hassling those who are less likely to commit acts of terror in the sky or directed at those who fit a particular profile of one likely to do so based upon certain criteria?

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i don't know why this is lost on you guys...oh well.

It's not nitpicking. "Detained" means he's getting treated differently and sounds a lot worse than he often has an extra bag check.

As I said, I've seen a lot of bag searches being done, and they seem to be at least somewhat random. Maybe international travel is different.

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What's being lost?

I'm pretty sure if argumentative pricks who graduated from Purdue and now live in New York had committed multiple acts of terror on airplanes, BRick would be the first guy to tell you he would accept heightened security and temporary detention before he flew. I'm not sure if I agree with that or not. I just don't think it's quite as evil as you seem to be suggesting.

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To rock my soul

That's actually an interesting point. New Yorkers in general don't seem to care much about the extra security here. I've had my bag searched multiple times just waiting in line for the plane. They basically go down the line and ask you to open your bag and they have a pointer stick that does a quick search of it.

It's just security and in a post 9/11 world that is how it is.

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Since the majority of the inmates in the penal system are black, its reasonable for police to pull them over in order to make sure there isn't a crime in progress. When questioned about it, the police can say they're just in a heightened state of security.

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