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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:13 am 
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Incidentally, I think Ivan Rodriguez is one of the most overrated defensive catchers ever. He threw a lot of guys out but he gained a bad reputation among pitchers for calling the game based on what would help him nail a guy at second rather than what would get the batter out.

What? Calling fastballs on breaking ball counts in Texas had negative consequences?


I have heard this criticism of Ivan before, but isn't the pitcher the one in control? If he does not want to throw a fastball on that count then shake him off.

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Why Friday nights only?


That's just the way the league was set up. It wasn't roto-style. We met at the bar on Thursdays to submit our lineups.

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Here's a little more about this particular league. If nothing else, I think you and sini will at least find it interesting.

I'm guessing it has to be the longest continuously on-going league in Chicago. I think it started in 1982 and has been going since then. It had a dual scoring format with a schedule of head-to-head games including playoffs, as well as an overall points champion. I always considered the points title more prestigious. I haven't played in more than a few years. I think my first season was 1988. I know my first draft pick was Dwight Gooden. At the time this league had a certain cachet. It predated all the online stuff and guys could actually sell a team for cash.

I got my team from two friends who had two teams in the league at the time. One was a Sox fan and the other was a Cub fan. The team was called the Comigley Cox. It had previously been owned by a guy named Jim. When Jim owned it it was called the Urban Shockers. The league always had a midseason redraft where you could pick up free agents based on the standings. One year Jim drafted a bunch of Dodgers. The next day he went to the store bought six bags of groceries, came home and blew his fucking brains out. When I took over the team I renamed it the Suicide Squeeze in Jim's honor. That might seem mean, but it was in keeping with the spirit of the league. I think Jim would have found it funny. Bart Giamatti died the same year. The league's year end banquet had a program that featured pictures of Jim and Bart on the cover and the title, "QABL Loses Two Giants".

During the 1989 Cub playoffs some channel sent a news crew into Quencher’s to do some interviews. At Fullerton and Western it was pretty far from Wrigley, but I guess they were looking for a different angle or all the bars by the park had already been staked out by other reporters. So the reporter was interviewing my friend Rickey and he started by saying to the camera, “We’re here at Quencher’s, and though it’s a couple miles from Wrigley Field it’s loaded with diehard fans of the Cubs and, more importantly, diehard baseball fans.” Then the cameraman swung his shot to the top of the piano which was covered by baseball books including a couple Baseball Abstracts and the Baseball Encyclopedia. The reporter turned back to Rickey and said, “I assume those books are to settle any baseball arguments that might arise.” Rickey took a long pull on his beer and said, “Ackshully, da guy dat died jus’ lef’ dose here before he killed himself.”

The league had some very specific rules. Bonuses were a big key to scoring. For example there was a three-hit bonus, a four-RBI bonus, and a ten-strikeout bonus for pitchers. You could list an “A” and a “B” starting pitcher. If the “A” guy didn’t pitch, you would get the points from the “B” guy as long as he started on Friday or Saturday.

There was also a bonus for a cycle. This caused immense controversy when Kelly Gruber stopped at second on what was surely his second triple of the game and the guy who had him got the bonus. Eventually, it was changed to a total bases bonus.

I remember having Jim Abbot on the bench when he pitched his no-hitter which was worth giant points. I wasn’t even too angry about it. I remember saying, “I don’t like Abbot. He only has one hand.” That earned me the nickname, “The Director of Sensitivity”. I did get the points from the game where Pedro took the perfecto into extra innings. But I lost the no-hitter bonus when he gave it up. I think the biggest game ever scored by a position player was that Cardinal third baseman- his name escape me- who hit the two grand slams off Nomo. My friend Mike had pitched Nomo that day too. :lol:

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That is interesting


But why the Dodger raid before the suicide?


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rogers park bryan wrote:
That is interesting


But why the Dodger raid before the suicide?



I don't know. I think he picked up some decent guys too. Why buy a bunch of groceries before killing yourself?

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rogers park bryan wrote:
That is interesting


But why the Dodger raid before the suicide?



I don't know. I think he picked up some decent guys too. Why buy a bunch of groceries before killing yourself?

Guess I assumed he had a family.

Odd case. What do you think happened? (If you care to get into it)


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Guess I assumed he had a family.

Odd case. What do you think happened? (If you care to get into it)



He was more of a friend of my friends, than he was close to me. But I'd guess he was just a depressed guy. He was funny as hell though and he knew his baseball.

There were a lot of very literate guys in this league- writers, teachers, etc. How often do you find a fantasy league with a team named after a Danish philosopher?

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RPB- Would you rather have Molina or Victor Martinez catching for you everyday?


Victor Martinez is out for the season. So I would take Molina.


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RPB- Would you rather have Molina or Victor Martinez catching for you everyday?


Victor Martinez is out for the season. So I would take Molina.



Thanks for clarifying the issue, BC.

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AJ Burnett broke his face while bunting a ball. Requires surgery.

Stoneroses is going to love this story.

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I remember having Jim Abbot on the bench when he pitched his no-hitter which was worth giant points. I wasn’t even too angry about it. I remember saying, “I don’t like Abbot. He only has one hand.” That earned me the nickname, “The Director of Sensitivity”. I did get the points from the game where Pedro took the perfecto into extra innings. But I lost the no-hitter bonus when he gave it up. I think the biggest game ever scored by a position player was that Cardinal third baseman- his name escape me- who hit the two grand slams off Nomo. My friend Mike had pitched Nomo that day too. :lol:



It's easy to remember shit wrong. I was racking my brain since this morning trying to think of that third baseman's name. I swore I was going to remember it on my own but I finally gave up and Googled it. Fernando Tatis. And the pitcher wasn't Nomo. It was Chan Ho Park. I knew it was one of those Chinamen. :lol:

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Fuck, I missed that. I woulda pointed out it was Tatis.

Didnt know the pitcher though


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I remember having Jim Abbot on the bench when he pitched his no-hitter which was worth giant points. I wasn’t even too angry about it. I remember saying, “I don’t like Abbot. He only has one hand.” That earned me the nickname, “The Director of Sensitivity”. I did get the points from the game where Pedro took the perfecto into extra innings. But I lost the no-hitter bonus when he gave it up. I think the biggest game ever scored by a position player was that Cardinal third baseman- his name escape me- who hit the two grand slams off Nomo. My friend Mike had pitched Nomo that day too. :lol:



It's easy to remember shit wrong. I was racking my brain since this morning trying to think of that third baseman's name. I swore I was going to remember it on my own but I finally gave up and Googled it. Fernando Tatis. And the pitcher wasn't Nomo. It was Chan Ho Park. I knew it was one of those Chinamen. :lol:


I would have loved to see the ESPN headline that day.


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It's easy to remember shit wrong. I was racking my brain since this morning trying to think of that third baseman's name. I swore I was going to remember it on my own but I finally gave up and Googled it. Fernando Tatis. And the pitcher wasn't Nomo. It was Chan Ho Park. I knew it was one of those Chinamen. :lol:


I would have loved to see the ESPN headline that day.


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The Pirates announced that A.J. Burnett has an orbital fracture of his right eye and will require surgery. The club didn’t provide a timetable for the right-hander, who was acquired from the Yankees last month.


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It's easy to remember shit wrong. I was racking my brain since this morning trying to think of that third baseman's name. I swore I was going to remember it on my own but I finally gave up and Googled it. Fernando Tatis. And the pitcher wasn't Nomo. It was Chan Ho Park. I knew it was one of those Chinamen. :lol:


I would have loved to see the ESPN headline that day.


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Corey Hart is out with a meniscus problem and will need surgery. He will miss 3-4 weeks, and will most certainly start the year on the d.l.

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This doesn't deserve its own thread and its not Cubs related anymore so......Cashner apparently averaged 1O2 mph today in his 1 inning of work and he hit 1O3....and he has a very large beard.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/ ... ll-sunday/

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This doesn't deserve its own thread and its not Cubs related anymore so......Cashner apparently averaged 1O2 mph today in his 1 inning of work and he hit 1O3....and he has a very large beard.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/ ... ll-sunday/


That makes me feel even better about the trade. His arm will fall off before spring training is over.

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