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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:29 pm 
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I thought Rajon Rondo was someone you could build your franchise around moving forward...


I don't think so. Not in LA. They should focus on building around Bynum.

I was referring to Rondo in Boston...I know the Lakers are in the market for a better point guard to replace the aging Derek Fisher, but I don't understand all the Rondo trade talk.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:31 pm 
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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
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I thought Rajon Rondo was someone you could build your franchise around moving forward...


I don't think so. Not in LA. They should focus on building around Bynum.

Its more of a PG league than ever and Bynum is gonna be a perpetual injury risk.

Build around Luke Walton


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Steve Blake is prepped to take that city over. Chris Paul is old news.


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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Steve Blake is prepped to take that city over. Chris Paul is old news.

Well, Chris Paul & Blake Griffin's respective contracts are going to be up soon with the Clippers...


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Any chance Oklahoma City moves Harden by the deadline to LA for Gasol? Probably throw in Ibaka to sweeten the deal?

Lakers starting five: Kobe, Ibaka, Harden, Bynum, Goudelock/Blake

OKC: Durant, Westbrook, Gasol, Cook, Perkins?


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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Any chance Oklahoma City moves Harden by the deadline to LA for Gasol? Probably throw in Ibaka to sweeten the deal?

Lakers starting five: Kobe, Ibaka, Harden, Bynum, Goudelock/Blake

OKC: Durant, Westbrook, Gasol, Cook, Perkins?

I don't think the Lakers want to necessarily help the Thunder, Ugueth...


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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Any chance Oklahoma City moves Harden by the deadline to LA for Gasol? Probably throw in Ibaka to sweeten the deal?

Is OKC high?

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Andrew Bogut & Stephen Jackson to Warriors for Monta Ellis, Ekpe Udoh and Kwame Brown

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Mark Jackson should quit.

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Dwight says he doesn't want to be traded anymore.

Carmelo says he wants to be traded (or have the coach fired).


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Dwight says he doesn't want to be traded anymore.

Carmelo says he wants to be traded (or have the coach fired).

Carmelo for Howard

This would be a fantastic deal for both franchises.

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What the fuck are the Knicks going to do with three centers?


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What the fuck are the Knicks going to do with three centers?

They can then move Tyson Chandler because he would not be needed. That team would be dangerous if they went this route.

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If this isn't a sign that your team will not go anywhere, I don't know what is...

The roster played a completely different style of basketball when Anthony was out and was very successful. The Magic should seriously consider offering Dwight Howard for Carmelo Anthony. The Magic would then still have the popular media-darling type player that all small markets dream of, and he would be locked up for the next 4 seasons. They would probably still be in the middle of the pack in the East, but let's face it, they will never be a real contender anyway. At least they would consistently still draw a good crowd and also stay in the National spotlight. Howard would make the Knicks dominant, and they would be able to add another piece by then unloading Tyson Chandler.

Baron Davis should just be waived. What an asshole...

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After a remarkable Jeremy Lin-led run that made them the toast of the NBA, the Knicks have lost 8 of their last 10 games. There's plenty of blame to go around, but while some within the organization are questioning superstar Carmelo Anthony, most of the fingers are being pointed at head coach Mike D'Antoni, according to several sources close to the situation.

D'Antoni, hailed as an offensive genius during his successful tenure in Phoenix, has lost the Knicks' locker room, the sources say.

"The players like Mike as a person," one source said. "They think he's a good guy. But he doesn't have the respect of the team anymore."

D'Antoni is in the last year of a four-year deal and all indications are that he will not be brought back after this season; that is, if he survives the rest of this season. The Knicks are expected to make a run at Phil Jackson, who retired from the Lakers last year with 11 NBA titles.

But the Knicks, losers of six straight games, still have 24 games left to get through this year, and according to numerous sources close to the team, the reeling club is as dysfunctional in the locker room as it is on the court.

In addition to questioning D'Antoni, players are complaining about playing time, and confused about the offensive and defensive schemes.

It is lost on no one that the Knicks' free-fall coincides precisely with the return of Anthony. While Anthony was out with a groin injury, the Knicks won 6 of 7 games, including victories over the Los Angeles Lakers and defending champion Dallas Mavericks. With Lin leading D'Antoni's offense, the Knicks played fast and free, spacing the floor, hitting the open man, and even improving defensively.

But the day Anthony returned, the Knicks lost to the struggling New Jersey Nets, starting a sorry stretch that has washed away all the feel-good emotions of Lin's emergence and left them on the verge of missing the playoffs.

Management, the coaching staff and the players know Anthony is hurting the offense and in turn, the defensive morale, according to the sources. While D'Antoni's offense calls for Anthony to plant himself on the wing at the 3-point line, he often creeps in to his favorite spot in the floor -- the area between the elbow, the arc and the post. That kills the Knicks' ability to run the high pick-and-roll and ruins the spacing that is so critical to D'Antoni's offense.

"That's at the very core of our problem," one person close to the situation said. "That messes up the fluidity of the offense. Melo could do it, but he's got to trust the offense."

When Anthony first returned -- and it still appears to be the case -- Lin would bring the ball upcourt and try to run D'Antoni's system. When Anthony would abandon the offense, Lin would not pass him the ball, which irritated Anthony, sources said. So when Lin tried to talk to Anthony on the court, Anthony would turn his back to the point guard and tune him out. The two never had heated exchanges, though, and the players tried to come to a compromise, agreeing to run D'Antoni's system while also mixing in post-ups for Anthony.

"But it's just a mess because D'Antoni's system is not designed for that," one source said.

Despite his often poor body language, many of the players believe Anthony is trying to adjust and sincerely wants to win. He has told people close to him that he is being asked to do things he's never done, saying that throughout his career he has always had plenty of post-up opportunities and that he is uncomfortable standing on the wing spacing the floor.

"Half the team is trying to do what coach says and the other half is doing something different," one source said. "Then it spills over to the defensive end because players are (ticked) off about somebody taking a bad shot."

With Anthony sapping the energy from the offense, the players often lose their incentive to play defense. But even when he's trying to play defense, Amare Stoudemire struggles. Having spent almost his entire career in D'Antoni's non-defensive system, Stoudemire has trouble making defensive reads and rotations. Anthony knows what to do defensively, but simply refuses to do it consistently, the sources said.

Some players believe D'Antoni had the leverage to force Anthony to adjust to his system when he first returned from injury. The Knicks were rolling, showing they could win without Anthony, and their fan base was believing in D'Antoni's system. If D'Antoni had checked Anthony, perhaps even benching him, when he strayed from the offense, the players and fans would have been behind the coach and Anthony would have had no choice but to conform. But D'Antoni, ever the one to avoid confrontation with his players, would not do it, and now it's too late. That's when he lost the locker room for good.

Now, the players believe they need a coach who will hold players, especially the stars like Anthony and Stoudemire, accountable, the sources said. They do not believe D'Antoni is willing or able to do it.

On top of that, Baron Davis, who just returned from a back injury, is unhappy with his limited role as Lin's backup. Davis, averaging just 17 minutes a game, has already spoken to D'Antoni about giving him more playing time, according to the sources. While Lin wants to run D'Antoni's system, Davis is more in line with running the offense through Anthony and Stoudemire, the sources said. :lol: :lol:

"The only way this is going to work is if we have a coach that will hold Melo accountable and teach Melo, Amare and Jeremy how to play winning basketball," a source said.

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Mark Jackson should quit.


Agreed.


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They traded one of the best young scorers in the game for a guy that's hurt every year and an old guy that hurts his team with his selfish play.

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If D'Antoni is out as Knicks coach, is there any chance Phil Jackson comes out of retirement for a stint with New York?


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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
If D'Antoni is out as Knicks coach, is there any chance Phil Jackson comes out of retirement for a stint with New York?


Phil only wants to coach winners.


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If D'Antoni is out as Knicks coach, is there any chance Phil Jackson comes out of retirement for a stint with New York?




yes..pretty decent chance i believe

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If D'Antoni is out as Knicks coach, is there any chance Phil Jackson comes out of retirement for a stint with New York?


Phil only wants to coach winners.

I'd like to think that Phil could turn this group into winners. They have a lot of talent, but I said at the time that the Melo deal was done: they're not gonna win anything with D'Antoni as head coach. He should've been fired after last season.

I'm personally disappointed with how things have gone because I had them as my personal "must watch" team going into the season. I expected them to be fourth best in the East. Disappointing.

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If D'Antoni is out as Knicks coach, is there any chance Phil Jackson comes out of retirement for a stint with New York?


Phil only wants to coach winners.

I'd like to think that Phil could turn this group into winners. They have a lot of talent, but I said at the time that the Melo deal was done: they're not gonna win anything with D'Antoni as head coach. He should've been fired after last season.


All of Phil's teams were great defensively. The Knicks are incapable of being a good defensive team as currently constructed.

As long as Carmelo is on the team, they will not win -- with or without Phil.


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All of Phil's teams were great defensively. The Knicks are incapable of being a good defensive team as currently constructed.

As long as Carmelo is on the team, they will not win -- with or without Phil.

I don't think they're incapable of playing defense. They just need a coach that will get them to buy into the concept. Phil could do that. I truly believe that Carmelo would play defense for a coach like Phil.

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Carmello will never win. For him to be him he has to handle the ball all the time and go 1 on 1. That doesnt work in the NBA.

He's have to totally change his game....he wont.


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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
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If D'Antoni is out as Knicks coach, is there any chance Phil Jackson comes out of retirement for a stint with New York?


Phil only wants to coach winners.

I'd like to think that Phil could turn this group into winners. They have a lot of talent, but I said at the time that the Melo deal was done: they're not gonna win anything with D'Antoni as head coach. He should've been fired after last season.

I'm personally disappointed with how things have gone because I had them as my personal "must watch" team going into the season. I expected them to be fourth best in the East. Disappointing.


He had to know his offense wouldn't work with this group. He needed to make changes and was too stubborn to do it.

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D'Antoni didn't even want Melo, so I don't blame him for sticking to his guns and his offensive scheme. It was the whole reason they hired him in the first place.


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The next time Carmelo Anthony plays defense will be the first time. He's a one dimensional player.

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Dwight says he doesn't want to be traded anymore.

Carmelo says he wants to be traded (or have the coach fired).

Carmelo for Howard

This would be a fantastic deal for both franchises.


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Dwight says he doesn't want to be traded anymore.

Carmelo says he wants to be traded (or have the coach fired).

Carmelo for Howard

This would be a fantastic deal for both franchises.


you should be a GM

My services are always available.

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I find it funny that Hammond and Skiles have not said anything about the trade, makes me wonder if Ellis will ever suit up for the Bucks.

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