The world needs most people to stay in line so the true great minds like you can prosper. You should be thanking the guys who didn't get high every day in high school for letting you stand on their shoulders.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I always believe it's best to learn how to do things the right way before you start breaking or bending the rules. That's why Young Hova was always on his best behavior the first month of school.

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That's a little crappy. People live differently and value different things.




This theory might work in some cases and fail drastically in others. All depends on the person. I know a couple of very pretty successful people that don't even touch alcohol. They are always thinking, and in control.

I never touch it. I pay people to administer it to me intravenously.

And I'm very pretty successful.

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You know me like that.

You shove the vodka tampons in your butt like Frank.

Uhhh...I just get drunk by drinking.

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Didn't you post that article here? Teens getting drunk that way?

If there was a story about Vodka tampons its a very good chance Frank posted it

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I wanna clarify my position

I think I came off a little too anti establishment

There is a place for rules, falling in line, learning to do what your told, work on a team and discipline in general.


I just think sometimes the discipline becomes too prominent. Schools are not Military and shouldnt be. The goal should be to educate a well rounded individual, not just a worker who does what he's told factory.



You can not follow all the rules, or at least question them, and not be kicked out of school


I know its par for the course for CSFMB but people are acting like there are only two choices

Follow every rule ever without question

Drop out of school sophomore year to detail cars.


There is some middle ground in there.


Just like there is not only "become a middle manager" or "answer to a middle manager"


Everyone's journey is different though and what is important to each person and what works as motivation on each person is different.

I just think sometimes people in authority lose sight of whats important and use their job as a fantasy drill sargeant camp.


One who doesnt question the rules and the status quo at least on occassion is missing out on a big part of life and growing up IMO


To sum up

Education: Good
Rules: Follow when you can, question if you must
Mt Carmel: Football factory that fixes grades for players anyway
Ignatius: The Notre Dame of High Schools (as it relates to the self importance of its alumni)

well said

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Maybe apropos of nothing but this would be an interesting situation to test whether one would stand up to authority or go along with what they wanted. Thought it was funny that this article had over 500 likes on Facebook too


Job seekers getting asked for Facebook passwords





When Justin Bassett interviewed for a new job, he expected the usual questions about experience and references. So he was astonished when the interviewer asked for something else: his Facebook username and password.

Bassett, a New York City statistician, had just finished answering a few character questions when the interviewer turned to her computer to search for his Facebook page. But she couldn’t see his private profile. She turned back and asked him to hand over his login information.

Bassett refused and withdrew his application, saying he didn’t want to work for a company that would seek such personal information. But as the job market steadily improves, other job candidates are confronting the same question from prospective employers, and some of them cannot afford to say no.

In their efforts to vet applicants, some companies and government agencies are going beyond merely glancing at a person’s social networking profiles and instead asking to log in as the user to have a look around.

“It’s akin to requiring someone’s house keys,” said Orin Kerr, a George Washington University law professor and former federal prosecutor who calls it “an egregious privacy violation.”

Questions have been raised about the legality of the practice, which is also the focus of proposed legislation in Illinois and Maryland that would forbid public agencies from asking for access to social networks.

Human resource professionals have cause to be concerned about accessing social networking sites for fear of running afoul of hiring discrimination laws.

Since the rise of social networking, it has become common for managers to review publicly available Facebook profiles, Twitter accounts and other sites to learn more about job candidates. But many users, especially on Facebook, have their profiles set to private, making them available only to selected people or certain networks.

Companies that don’t ask for passwords have taken other steps — such as asking applicants to friend human resource managers or to log in to a company computer during an interview. Once employed, some workers have been required to sign non-disparagement agreements that ban them from talking negatively about an employer on social media.

Asking for a candidate’s password is more prevalent among public agencies, especially those seeking to fill law enforcement positions such as police officers or 911 dispatchers.

Back in 2010, Robert Collins was returning to his job as a security guard at the Maryland Department of Public Safety and Correctional Services after taking a leave following his mother’s death. During a reinstatement interview, he was asked for his login and password, purportedly so the agency could check for any gang affiliations. He was stunned by the request but complied.

“I needed my job to feed my family. I had to,” he recalled,

After the ACLU complained about the practice, the agency amended its policy, asking instead for job applicants to log in during interviews.

“To me, that’s still invasive. I can appreciate the desire to learn more about the applicant, but it’s still a violation of people’s personal privacy,” said Collins, whose case inspired Maryland’s legislation.

Until last year, the city of Bozeman, Mont., had a long-standing policy of asking job applicants for passwords to their email addresses, social-networking websites and other online accounts.

And since 2006, the McLean County, Ill., sheriff’s office has been one of several Illinois sheriff’s departments that ask applicants to sign into social media sites to be screened.

Chief Deputy Rusty Thomas defended the practice, saying applicants have a right to refuse. But no one has ever done so. Thomas said that “speaks well of the people we have apply.”

When asked what sort of material would jeopardize job prospects, Thomas said “it depends on the situation” but could include “inappropriate pictures or relationships with people who are underage, illegal behavior.”

The Chicago Police Department does not ask applicants to provide their usernames or passwords, said spokeswoman Melissa Stratton.

“We do not ask candidates, but they all go through a very thorough background check, which could include a search of social media attached to their names,” said Cook County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Frank Bilecki.

More companies are using third-party applications to In Spotsylvania County, Va., the sheriff’s department asks applicants to friend background investigators for jobs at the 911 dispatch center and for law enforcement positions.

“In the past, we’ve talked to friends and neighbors, but a lot of times we found that applicants interact more through social media sites than they do with real friends,” said Capt. Mike Harvey. “Their virtual friends will know more about them than a person living 30 yards away from them.”

Harvey said investigators look for any “derogatory” behavior that could damage the agency’s reputation.

E. Chandlee Bryan, a career coach and co-author of the book “The Twitter Job Search Guide,” said job seekers should always be aware of what’s on their social media sites and assume someone is going to look at it.

Bryan said she is troubled by companies asking for logins, but she feels it’s not a violation if an employer asks to see a Facebook profile through a friend request. And she’s not troubled by non-disparagement agreements.

“I think that when you work for a company, they are essentially supporting you in exchange for your work. I think if you’re dissatisfied, you should go to them and not on a social media site,” she said.

More companies are also using third-party applications to scour Facebook profiles, Bryan said. One app called BeKnown can sometimes access personal profiles, short of wall messages, if a job seeker allows it.

Sears is one of the companies using apps. An applicant has the option of logging into the Sears job site through Facebook by allowing a third-party application to draw information from the profile, such as friend lists.

Sears Holdings Inc. spokeswoman Kim Freely said using a Facebook profile to apply allows Sears to be updated on the applicant’s work history.

The company assumes “that people keep their social profiles updated to the minute, which allows us to consider them for other jobs in the future or for ones that they may not realize are available currently,” she said.

Giving out Facebook login information violates the social network’s terms of service. But those terms have no real legal weight, and experts say the legality of asking for such information remains murky.

The Department of Justice regards it as a federal crime to enter a social networking site in violation of the terms of service, but during recent congressional testimony, the agency said such violations would not be prosecuted.

But Lori Andrews, law professor at IIT Chicago-Kent College of Law specializing in Internet privacy, is concerned about the pressure placed on applicants, even if they voluntarily provide access to social sites.

“Volunteering is coercion if you need a job,” Andrews said.

Neither Facebook nor Twitter responded to repeated requests for comment.

In New York, Bassett considered himself lucky that he was able to turn down the consulting gig at a lobbying firm.

“I think asking for account login credentials is regressive,” he said. “If you need to put food on the table for your three kids, you can’t afford to stand up for your belief.”

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

JORR is really, really on a crusade to rid the world of caffeine lately.

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And Marist???

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Hey, let's not judge the whole bushel basket by one self-loathing apple saddled with a ponderous sense of inadequecy and spiritual vacuousness.

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I don't remember half the time if I'm hiding or I'm lost

^^^Fancy way of saying "grown man that's not allowed to watch TV".^^^

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Definitely some jerks on this list.

Charles Bidwill, owner of the Chicago Cardinals (1933–47); inducted in 1967 into the Pro Football Hall of Fame[10]
Lawrence Biondi, S.J., President of Saint Louis University
Andre Braugher (1980), Emmy Award–winning actor (Glory, Homicide: Life on the Street, Men of a Certain Age)
Thomas J. Campbell (1969), Dean of Chapman University School of Law and former five-term U.S. Representative representing California's 12th and 15th congressional districts (1989–1993, 1995–2001)
Patrick Chovanec (1988), business professor at Tsinghua University, economics and political commentator
William M. Daley, former White House Chief of Staff under Barack Obama and former U.S. Secretary of Commerce (1997–2000)[11][12]
Mark Dalesandro (1986), former Major League Baseball catcher and third baseman who played for the California Angels (1994–1995), Toronto Blue Jays (1998–1999) and the Chicago White Sox (2001).
Richard Driehaus (1960), businessman and philanthropist; namesake of the Driehaus Prize given in architecture[13]
Tony D'Souza (1992), novelist, Guggenheim, O. Henry Award, Sue Kaufman Prize from the American Academy of Arts and Letters
Chip E. (1984), filmmaker and music producer
Sonari Glinton (1992) Reporter NPR[14]
Jack Higgins (1972), editorial cartoonist at the Chicago Sun-Times
Mellody Hobson (1987), President of Ariel Capital Management, LLC; also TV Correspondent in the field of finance[15]
Dan Hynes (1986), Comptroller for the State of Illinois and announced a run for the State of Illinois Governor's seat in 2009
Dan Lipinski (1984), U.S. Representative representing Illinois's 3rd congressional district (2005–present)[16]
Michael Madigan (1960), current Speaker of the Illinois House of Representatives[12][17]
John Mulaney, standup comedian and writer on Saturday Night Live.
Bob Newhart (1947), actor/comedian (Newhart, The Bob Newhart Show)[18]
Vyto Ruginis (1974), actor
Casey Siemaszko (1979), actor
Nina Siemaszko (1988), actress
Todd Stroger (1981), former Cook County Board President[19]
Michael Wilbon (1976), sportswriter and television personality (Pardon the Interruption)
Robert A Wild, S.J., President of Marquette University

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Yeah, that seemed a little harsh, I guess. I was really talking about me personally. Like Bryan said, everyone has their own path. My dad was a middle manager. He supported his family, raised two kids. It's just not for me.

I wasn't always this prickly, wasn't always a lone wolf. I probably could have been a corporate guy and risen up pretty well. But I see so much of that is politics and game-playing and arbitrary personality-based crap rather than real job performance. I couldn't stand losing the promotion to Noisewater because he and the boss were frat brothers and I was a GDI.

I like not knowing on January 1st how much income I'm going to have in the upcoming year. I know that isn't for everyone. I'll either die very rich or flat broke and flat broke is looking more likely right now. But it usually does. If my girlfriend were eavesdropping on this conversation she would undoubtedly point that when my shit goes bad I have food to eat and a place to sleep because of her middle manager job.

In my family it was expected that you go to school, graduate, and then go to work for someone else and assume they treat you right. I think it's probably like that for most middle class kids. Well, that seems like a paradigm from the past to me. I don't want to rely on the largesse of some guy above me on an org chart for my future. Why can't I be the big guy? My family just assumes that's for other people. At one point I was having a lot of my success and my mom said something like, "You've got a pretty nice life, huh?" And I said, "You always told me I could do anything." And my mother looked at me incredulously and replied, "And you actually believed me????"

Anyway, when I made the post I was really just fucking with Boilermaker Rick.

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Freedom is our Strength.

The irony of your last sentence is that I pretty much agree with your whole post.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Your dad was a middle manager? I never got that from the stories you've told.

Middle class is alright but I get what you are saying.

I always thought you had a healthy amount of love for yourself.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

My dad was a cashier of a bank, the top operations guy, but I'd definitely call it a middle management position, as he reported to the President/Chairman and Executive VP. He definitely had middle management frustrations.

For example, my old man was pretty open-minded for a guy of his generation. His bank was in the heart of Boystown and the neighborhood was aggressively wild in the early 70s. To demonstrate their buying power, the gays devised the "gay dollar". They simply had ink stamps made that said "gay dollar" next to a picture of a cock. Now, my dad's old bosses were scandalized by this and got the bright idea to refuse such bills. It took a lot for him to convince these guys that a whole lot of their customers were gay and that they should just accept the bills without comment and send them to the Fed. He also had to fight tooth and nail to put one of the first cash stations in Chicago at the corner of Belmont and Clark. The old dudes wanted to put it inside so only bank customers could use it. My dad wanted it outside so it could be used 24 hours. The old guys weren't convinced until it made about 20 grand the first month.

My stepfather was the professional shoplifter. My mom married two very different guys and they both had an influence on me.

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Freedom is our Strength.

So Iverson has good friends, I blew it by not buttoning the top button, Todd Stroger is a proud graduate of the Notre Dame of high schools, Telegram Sam<>Good Dolphin, and JORR is killing it again.

I made a fortune speculating on the Gay Dollar.

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You know me like that.