Damn Frank. You & I agree!

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No fuckin way.

Running backs are waaaaaay too easy to find. Not to mention all the miles Forte has

No one really trades for RB anymore.

Unfortunately for Forte, he came along at a time where RB have never mattered less.

If the Bears put Forte on the block many teams would be willing to give up a 1st round pick. The guy has the 3rd most yards (even though he missed games) since he's been in the league playing with some of the worst offenses in the league. That means he was the guy teams game planned for. We're not talking about an average back. Forte is an elite RB.

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If a team offers a 1st round pick you do it IMMEDIATELY.

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No you don't. Not unless it's a top 10 pick. You don't trade clearly the best player on your team for the Giants draft pick. That would be stupid.

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RFDC you must be one of the people that has too much caffeine. I'm not mad at either side. Both are right. FF is in line with what I think he deserves, I hope he gets close to that with 17-18 guaranteed. If they are offering less then the Bears are shitty if Forte is asking for more then he's wrong.

If I was worried about Cutler's backup I'd be suprised because I think I've used the phrase for QBs it's boom or bust. I don't want a total incompetent like whoever was in front of hainie last year but I'm really not concerned with back up qbs. RBs are slightly different I'd like a better back up or really good tandem because the chance of injury is higher. I think you are making a wrong assumption because you want to, and I have no idea why?

all this concern about petty posturing...he's a bear for at least the next two years

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Giving up a 1st rd pick for ANY running back is ill advised in today's NFL.

It would be even worse to do it for a guy with a 1,000 carries.


The difference between top RB's and middle running backs you can find in the 2nd or 3rd rd of a draft is not big enough anymore.

Next year, if they franchise him, they have to pay 125% of this years salary guaranteed. I don't think they do it. This will be Forte's last year in a Bears uniform.

Yep thats me too much caffeine.

I am making my statements based on what YOU have stated.

You want the Bears to do the wrong/dumb thing because your heart likes Forte.

I like Forte too, but I would be glad to see him go rather than the Bears to spend too much money on him. They can find another RB.

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I doubt they'll cry about paying him $9M if he's still producing at an elite level.

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it will be more like 10 million next year and no chance at that happening and no chance at any team giving a first round pick for forte ..none..zero..

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No you're not. And I don't think it's be all that dumb to reward him.

What's a fair value for him? 30 for 4 years 17 guaranteed? Which he'll make if they franchise him 2 years but not risking the injury or working him part. I might try giving 25 but guarantee the 17. What's too much? Too little? I wouldn't have taken 8M guaranteed either consider that's almost what he'll make this year.

The Bears offered him more --- around $14M guaranteed.

We all saw the numbers before the season started. It was for 3 years and $18M. Angelo's argument was he should get a discount for doing a deal before Forte's contract was up. Forte asked for $21M and Jerry drew a line in the sand. They said they would discuss it after the season. Considering how low the franchise number was it made no sense for the Bears to rush.

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Next.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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What does that prove? I think he will continue to produce and is deserving of that money. Especially since he has been cooperative in the past, and they asked a lot from him. He deserves to be paid and is valuable to the team. His "back up" is getting half his contract guaranteed. How much money did they spend on the others? They've had crap RBs for about 15 years.

I'm not blaming the Bears for what they are doing. I don't like it though.



Disappointing they each couldn't have gone up/down 3-4M. Maybe it would have done it.

not sure where you come up with these numbers...forte was offered more money than jamal charles..he turned it down..forte fucked up and now he will have to stay healthy and produce to make that money back.

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I am basing my opinions off of what you said.

No you're not.

Proof shown.

Well that don't prove anything.



Nevermind spaulding. Nevermind.

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He would have had to stay healthy no matter what. NFL contracts are not guaranteed and as we've all just saw with Peyton Manning guaranteed money isn't always GUARANTEED.

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Peyton is just about to get another 90 MIL deal though

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True but the way contracts are written the "guaranteed" portion of it is bullshit most of the time. It's all about what you can get in the first year or two of the contract.

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Yeah but then its better to keep getting deals blown up and getting a new signing bonus cause that's money in the bank.

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If you're as good as Manning that'll happen. Only a couple players can say that.

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And Matt Forte isn't one of them so he should have taken the contract when he had it on the table

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Just because he isn't Manning doesn't mean he should take a terrible contract. That's foolish to even say something like that. Especially considering he could make what they offered him for 3 years in 2 years if he stays healthy.

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Fair enough. But if that's his plan then don't bitch about the Bears hedging their bets and bringing in a capable backup. Football has more turnover than any other sport. The Bears just saw what having shitty depth at QB and RB costs you. If Hanie and Barber manage 1 win they are in the playoffs.

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Here is where we agree:

Signing Bush improved the team.
Signing Bush was also smart because it protects them from Forte holding out.
The way they're handling Forte is a smart business move.

Here is where we disagree:

Forte has the right to complain and attempt to negotiate the best deal for himself.
Forte shouldn't accept a deal that's half the deal Lynch got.

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I actually agree with the second part of that as well. I just think he shouldn't bitch about it. He made his choice and the Bears made theirs. The NFL is a cut throat business. This is just one of those things that because there is so much access to athletes these days with Twitter and everything something they might have said just with some friends or to their agent now gets broadcast to everyone.

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Agreed. He's going to have to wait 2 more years though.
If he's willing to take the chance that he won't get injured or decline in production the next two years he shouldn't.

I just hope he doesn't complain if he gets injured this year and loses even more money because of it. He had another option.

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