Are you kidding?

You think Augusta, or any country club, isnt overflowing with racism?


and they exclude people and they are a private club


AuKKKusta

^ 100% wrong.

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Keep contradicting yourself.


Both private clubs
Both exclude people as if its 1950


You've admitted that. That means less than 100%

Wrong.

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Right


If you think a place is right to exclude people based on race, religion, and gender because theyre a private club, I cant help you.

I like Frank's angle on this debate.

Yeah, most golf guys lean towards justifying that kind of stuff.

Calmer than you are, Dude. Calmer than you are.

There is some straight up bullshit right there, roger. Just a couple hours ago you bashed cij for painting with a broad brush, and here you are doing the same goddam thing. Yet you call me a hypocrite in this very thread.

Only one of us is, and you have just proven whom.

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Enjoying my coffee.

Junky...

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I'm a decidedly non-golf guy.

Frank seems right on to me. Comparing a Golf Club to the KKK is beyond hyperbole and in the realm of silly, so I'm assuming this is a bit. That's like saying, Obama is a politician, but SO WAS HITLER

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Do you think all boys and all girls schools should be allowed to exist?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Its not beyond hyperbole.

Its not even hyperbole


Both are exclusive groups with a history or racism, are they not?

No

I feel strongly about that too.

We are training kids for the work force. Women are in the workforce.

Uh oh... he's coming right for us! Quick Frank, to the golf cart!

Fair enough. Do you have a problem with female only high school teams?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Kamps birthday is at the end of May. Arnie's.

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Ive probably spent more time in and around country clubs than most people here.

Doesnt change the fact that Augusta is a network of good ol boy racists who had to be pressured to even let BLACKS in.


Soon enough, they will cave and allow women and admit they were wrong


and then you can all post your apologies here

So is an all boys school on the same level as the KKK too?

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Only if they dont cover the spread!!


Ideally there would be no segregation. You have to look at a case by case basis though. If its football, I wouldnt exclude women. Id exclude people based on size (which is a safety issue)

Augusta not letting women in is not a safety issue

Does the all boys school not allow women teachers/staff?


Im not saying they are on the same level. Only as it relates to Frank's lame ass excuse "private clubs= their rules"

In that way, they are the same.

Racism or sexism? I forgot when Agusta killed all those folks and burned crosses in their yards. Must have been before Tiger joined the tour cause I never watched golf before then. Would they burn crosses on the back 9 or the front 9?

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Racism

Are you saying that when Augusta didnt allow blacks before 1990 that wasnt racist?

I worked at one for a summer, and women were granted "associate memberships" normally having to do with either being a widow or the daughter of a member. However, besides not being able to go into the "Men's grill room" there really wasn't anything different. They both had golf leagues and tournaments and could come and go as they pleased. It was more like a family membership even if it was technically a membership of the man.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Comparing ANGC to the klan is a perhaps only a bit off but you'd probably be amazed at how little distinction is drawn between the two for the 'colored' folks in the area. Take away the $$$ and the ability to carefully craft public statements by most Augusta members and for many (not all, not most) the thinking of the two groups would be in lockstep. I'd guess. I know many locals still do.

Hopefully it can't be as bad as it was 20 years ago though.

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That damned Tiger Woods screwed that all up, real fast.

I am not denying they are both racist.

What I am saying is that it is flat out wrong and stupid to compare a country club to an organization that has repeatedly committed murder, rape, vandalism, assault, and arson.

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White hood...green jacket...same difference...

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I think that's Butler National.